Ep. 43 | A Line in the Sand: Abortion, Radical Responsibility, and the Feminist Lie
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Hey, gorgeous humans. Welcome back to controversial as fuck. So let me set the scene for today's episode. This is a very controversial topic. Obviously, we're going to be speaking about abortion. That will be clear by whatever the title of this episode is. This is controversial, but also this is a very touchy subject for most women.
Let's be honest, even some men it would be for sure. In fact it would. Yeah, definitely. There are situations where. I'll give you an example where maybe a couple has found out that they're pregnant. Where the guy has wanted to keep the baby, the girl hasn't, the girl has gone and had an abortion. So essentially the male has lost his future child.
You know, he's the whole, his whole future has changed. So. This doesn't just affect women. This also affects men, this topic. So. First of all, let me to set the scene. I want to say this. This is not a conversation about.or a debate about pro [00:01:00] and you know, anti abortion. This is not one where I'm going to be giving both sides of the stories.
And then, you know, my views, this is like, like what, a lot of the controversial topics that I cover, how I covered them. This is also not one where I bring statistics and, you know, stories and all that kind of stuff. This is quite different. Okay. This is me sitting down as if I'm literally having a conversation with you.
One-on-one in a cafe. That's how I want you to picture this. Or it's a girls' night and we're all talking about this. Or, you know, maybe I'm having a conversation with a male friend and I'm giving my perspective on it. So I actually want to bring a very different take to this. This is my own views on it.
But they are quite different.
I personally think my views on it are quite unique. I could be wrong. There could be so many people out there that think like me. I actually don't know. I genuinely don't know, but in my circle, in my friendship circle my views. From my understanding are quite unique. And this [00:02:00] is why I wanted to share them, but I want to, first of all, say that, yes, this is just a chat, but there's two reasons why I want to talk about this one.
I just want to have a platform where we can talk about whatever we want, where we can discuss whatever topic we want. And this is one of those topics. But it's To bring about change in what, and I'm not talking about with this topic in particular. I mean, any topic is to bring about change and I think change can only happen when first there's awareness. But also when there's, you know, a mutual respect and mutual understanding. And when there's different points of views and perspectives that are brought forward, right.
That's first of all, how change can even happen. But second of all,
With this being such a hot topic because of obviously the U S elections. Right? So abortion is being spoken about everywhere at the moment.
I wanted to come at this from a different lens, from a personal lens, from a personal life [00:03:00] experience lens, and this will all make sense soon. But I wanted to say that none of this comes with shame. None of this comes with any attacks.
None of this is coming with judgment.
As I said, it is such a raw topic for so many individuals, both male and female. Raw topic. This topic comes with shame for a lot of women who have gone through with abortions. Not all, some are absolutely not like, Nope, this was, this was the right decision for me. And I hold zero shame.
Like if they've gone and had an abortion, for instance, Whereas other women still to this day, including women that I personally know, hold shame for having abortions in their past. And they have said. That if they could go back in time, they wouldn't have made the decision that they made and that they would have actually kept the baby. And they regret to doing it, that it still lingers inside their system today as something that they deeply regret.
So I want to start off by saying this. [00:04:00] My goal is to not bring shame to anybody like. I really mean that there can be no healing when you live in shame. There can be no change when you live in shame. Shame is so destructive to live in continually it's. It can be a great learning experience to have shame to teach you. Like for instance, let's not talk about abortion for a second.
Let's just picture. A child has done something that really wasn't great. And they felt shame in the moment. It can be a great teaching moment to be like, oh, when I take that action, this is how I feel. And I don't want to feel that way. Therefore, I'm not going to take that action again. Right. So there is a reason for shame.
I'm not against any emotions. Like I actually think all emotions have their place. I'm very big on. You know, not pretending that we live in some fairy land. I talk about this all the time. Like pretending that we're these perfect human beings that have our shit together, 24 7, and we're some enlightened beings that have [00:05:00] transcended 3d existence.
And now we live in five D, like I've said this before on different episodes. So I'm not about that. I believe all emotions have their place, but there are some emotions, like shame. That if you live in continually are extremely destructive for your health. So this is not an episode that is to bring shame to anybody.
Let me make that clear. Let's just dive in. I personally for myself, made a decision when I was younger and I'm going to get into why I made that decision. Okay. I'm going to make this all very clear. I made a decision when I was younger. I don't remember what age it wasn't like one day I just made the decision.
It was like a gradual thing. That I would never have an abortion, no matter what, that was literally what I said to myself that no matter what happened in my life, and yes, I went through over time, mentally, every scenario that I could possibly think of that would make me want to have an abortion. So that I was prepared that if any of those things ever did happen in my life, that I wouldn't go through with an [00:06:00] abortion.
That's how strongly I was on the topic. Growing up right so as a young woman. I was like, I am never going to have an abortion no matter what, no matter if there's something wrong with the baby. No matter if I'm going to have to take care of them for the rest of their life, not in a normal mother way, but like their physical health, like, you know, let's say that there's something really wrong with them.
Like I'm not going to have an abortion, no matter what, this is what I said. Even if something happened to me and the situation was forced upon me, I don't want to say the R word. I don't want this video to get flagged. And I know this is a sensitive topic because there could be women listening to this who have been R'd before, you know what I'm talking about.
It's been forced upon them. I even said to myself growing up that if God forbid, that ever happened to me, that I would keep the baby. Right. I know, please hear me out. This is a very uncomfortable conversation to have and for a lot of women to even hear and for men to even hear potentially, but let's have this conversation. So that's what [00:07:00] I decided growing up right now.
Let's paint the scene because. We I've said in other episodes, we project on to other individuals. When we hear somebody say something, we often project onto them. What we think, they're trying to say what we think their agenda is, or. You know, the subtleties in between what they're saying, what we think is actually being said, and it's all based off our own worldview.
It's all based off our belief systems. It's all based off our values, our upbringing, our shadows, our traumas, like all that stuff. Okay. So. For full context. Let me explain to you who young Holly was and why I would have had that view growing up and then we're going to get into, and we're going to fast forward into where I sit now. And why I think the way that I think and how it has shaped my life and why I want to talk about it.
So young Holly, so younger me. Very religious. I was raised as a born again, Christian in a Pentecostal. Christian Church, right? [00:08:00] It was. Very very strict, very, very strict. So obviously. What comes with that is very staunch views on certain topics. And abortion is one of those, right? So we were taught as you know, as Christians, we were taught that it is wrong to have an abortion.
We were taught that it is essentially taking somebody else's life, that we should not be making that decision for somebody else. That. Also, obviously something else that governed, that was the fact that we were encouraged. We're not encouraged. We were told to remain as virgins virgins until marriage.
Right. So, which I did, so I didn't lose my virginity until I was. 22 and a half. When I got married within the church, I'm no longer with the man that I married when I left. the church. by the way. So I'd note there's other episodes on it, but I was raised in like a crazy cult in Tasmania. So when I left that crazy cult. Uh, at around the age of 25, my marriage also just did not survive that experience.
So. [00:09:00] Anyway. So what shaped my views? One religious two. You don't sleep around. You don't have sex outside of marriage. So there should be no reason as to why you would even think about having an abortion, because the only way that you would fall pregnant, if you follow obviously the guidelines within the church and all of that. Then you would only be conceiving within marriage and you would welcome that child.
Right? So it, it makes sense. You could understand why I would have that view, right. Religious don't have sex outside of marriage. Don't have one nightstands don't date. You only date. If you're going to marry the person, like if you intend on marrying them. Therefore, the person that you're having sex with is someone that you believe would be a great mother or father to your child. Right.
So if you're a guy. You're only having sex with a woman because you're married to that woman. If you're a female, you only having sex with the man because you were married to the man, right? So of course, if you fall pregnant, it's exciting. Even if you weren't planning on [00:10:00] falling pregnant, you're going to welcome that baby.
You see it as like a blessing from God, right? So that would make sense. And this is why I like to give context, because for someone who instantly hears me say, I have this view on abortion, they may instantly be like you are X, Y, Z, or they're going to start projecting what they think I'm saying or. Oh, she's judging me because I agree with abortion or it's none of that.
Understand my upbringing. Okay. Then let's fast forward, right? So when I left the church, when I left that cult, I went through at the age of 33. So fast-forward a dark night of the soul and like a spiritual awakening where. I I've said this before in other episodes where I evaluated all of my belief systems, where I evaluated, who the crap am. Am I. What do I believe about this world?
What are my own personal views? Not what has been handed to me. And in that time, I kind of like [00:11:00] toss some beliefs and kept others and changed some and completely removed others. Like it was like literally like a spring clean of all of my belief systems and every single view that I held. At the age of 33. Now that is when you would think.
Right. So I left and I was quite jaded about religion. I was jaded about God, I couldn't stand hearing the word. God, I couldn't stand hearing the word Jesus, just because I associated all of that with a nut job cult called the Potter's house Christian fellowship. Right. So I was like, I just, I can't, I can't even talk about God, even though I was yearning for what I believed to be God, but I believe to be the creator that never left me, but I was like, I just can't like religion is disgusting and. You know, church people make me want to vomit and just all of that.
Right. Which is quite common when you leave something like that, it is. It takes a while to review all your belief systems. [00:12:00] To start to settle on what you actually truly believe in the core of your body. So it would make sense at that age of 33. A full year of what I considered to be the dark night of the soul.
It would make sense at that age for me to evaluate the belief of abortion and to change my views. Right. Cause you think about it. I had. My marriage breakup. So I was divorced. I. Was no longer going to church. I didn't want to talk about God. I couldn't stand people talking about God. I was no longer religious.
So you would think that at that age I would go to the other end of the extreme, right. And be like F all of this. I am big time pro-abortion right. But I didn't, I evaluated it in my own timing and I looked at everything. I've researched it for myself. I wanted to understand views outside of myself.
I wanted to understand women's [00:13:00] stories. Like I genuinely wanted to understand outside of the way that I was raised. And so I did that for myself. But I have to admit my views did not change. And that's quite shocking because you would think that they would have, but they didn't. Whereas other beliefs really did, like really, really did, but there was something about this topic. Then in the core of my body was like, No for myself. Again, I'm not putting this on to you.
I want to open up the space to talk about it. For myself. I still felt like no matter what. I will never have an abortion. No matter what, and I know that's a big call to make, I understand the severity of that, but let's talk about it. One of the reasons is. Because of radical self responsibility. Now I know that this is going to make some people squirm.
And again, I'm not putting this on you. I just want to open up the space to hold the discussion. And in that I would [00:14:00] love for people to comment on this episode. No matter what platform you see this or message me. If you're listening to this on the podcasting platforms. And I will dedicate a full comment chaos episode to this topic where I will read your comments and I will reply to them and respond to them and hold the space for discourse.
No matter what your view is. And being respectful of everyone's viewpoints, but just hear me out. The reason is. I believe very strongly in holding radical responsibility in life for our decisions. Now I understand, and I'm going to cover it that. On one end of the extreme or one end of this spectrum, you could say that. If I fall pregnant, like if you're saying this, if I fall pregnant and it's not the right time in my life, or I can't afford to have a baby or I'm not with the right man, for example, That having an abortion is taking radical responsibility in my life.
I want to challenge that. [00:15:00]
I know that there's many ways you can look at this and I'm not wanting to necessarily get into a debate about what age is a fetus, actually, a human life. What age does a soul enter that child? I don't know. I don't know what age his soul enters a child is that at the moment of conception. Is it at 12 weeks?
I don't know. I actually don't know. And I have not just so you know, recently done any research on this topic because I wanted to sit and have this conversation without being influenced by any statistics or conversations outside. I wanted this to just pour from my own heart. Right. So I'll be clear on that. That's not what this is about. If in my worldview, I believe very strongly in holding and exhibiting and acting on having radical self responsibility in life.
I have allowed that to overflow in the way that I view abortion. Now I have never had an abortion in my life. I have not hand on [00:16:00] heart ever had an abortion. And as I said, I never will have one, but I know my absolute closest of friends in my closest friendship circle. I would say majority of my friends have. And I do not judge them for that.
Hear me out. Like, again, this is just a place for discourse. When I choose to take radical responsibility in life, that is flowed into the topic of abortion because in my world view, One, and I've done a full episode on this. I don't agree with hookup culture. I know that's shocking in this day and age, but I don't even as a non-religious person, I don't agree with hookup culture.
I don't agree with just sleeping around with randoms that you know, nothing about. Again, this also comes down to radical self responsibility. I am responsible for the actions that I take in my life. I am responsible for the decisions that I make in my life. Good, bad, ugly in between I take full responsibility for, I don't always get it right. But I take responsibility for the decisions [00:17:00] that I've made. In choosing for myself to never have an abortion.
It has made me extremely discerning in who I have sex with. And I will not and have not had sex with a man that in that moment, I didn't think. One. He would make a great father. Or two that I could see potential for a future, or as soon as I realize, actually I don't see potential for a future, or I actually don't think he'd make a great father.
That relationship was ended. So, let me explain. I've done a full episode on this, about hookup culture. And I've also done a full episode on my own life story. Relating it back to hookup culture, one nightstands, all of that. Okay. So my, I would say my views on abortion have helped to govern decisions that I make in my life and taking radical responsibility for those decisions. Therefore, I don't have one nightstands.
I've never had a one night stand again. I'm not putting you down. If you have regular one [00:18:00] nightstands, just hear me out because there's different ways you can go about life. And that's the thing. I actually think we all get to decide how we choose to live our lives. And we live with the repercussions of those decisions, be that good or bad, for lack of better words, right?
We live with those repercussions. So I'm not saying the way that I choose to live my life is right, and your way is wrong. If you live differently, I want to make that clear. I'm not saying that, so please don't place that on me. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is. The way that I live my life and taking radical responsibility for everything has helped me to make better decisions for myself. So for instance, I said that I would not have an abortion, therefore I don't sleep around because if I have a one night stand with a guy that I have zero intention of ever seeing again and I was to fall pregnant,
then I'm choosing to keep that baby. And that is a heavy burden to be carrying. Right. That's not a decision that I want to [00:19:00] make for my life. Therefore, instead of having an abortion, I choose to not sleep around. Right. Because that's me taking radical responsibility. Another one instead of just, you know, hooking up with lots of different guys.
I know I'm talking about one night stands, but just having multiple relationships over and over and over and over lots of short-term flings with, I don't see that guy as potential to be an incredible father. An incredible provider for a family and incredible husband or partner. Well, no. I'm not going to give him access to my body.
And that's been another way for me to mitigate the chances of me ever feeling tempted by having an abortion, because that's just not going to happen because. If we were to conceive, well, I know the guy's a good guy. Now, obviously there are chances where things can go to shit where you may think a guy's incredible and he ends up being an absolute douchebag.
But even then for myself, again, I'm speaking purely from myself. I chose that I would never have an [00:20:00] abortion no matter what, therefore, I need to be very clear on the guys that I am with. Right. If that's the way that I choose to lead my life. And.
I don't think that this gets talked about enough. What I have found is that abortion has almost become the contraceptive. And I don't think that's right. I actually don't personally think that that is taking responsibility in life. I know people may see it the opposite, and again, let's hold space for that conversation.
But let's talk about it as a life thing. This is what it does come down to for me personally, for me. I think that we don't have a right to take another life. Now I know that this comes with the conversation of, or a couple of different ways. One. Is the, my body, my choice thing. I am very vocal about, we have a right to do what we want to our bodies and nobody else gets to tell us.
Right. So I know right now you may be thinking what you're contradicting yourself, but hear me out. For instance COVID I don't think [00:21:00] anybody should have been forced or even encouraged personally to have the COVID vacs. I just don't agree with that at all. I don't think anyone should have been coerced into having it, or you may lose your job coerced into having it, or you can't see family. Coerced into having it, or you lose your friendship circle.
Like all of that was disgusting. I don't think anybody should have been forced or coerced into having something that they didn't want to have. The vaccine, right. Just flat out. Think that's terrible. It was. It was despicable. Honestly, it was major government overreach. It was. You know, corrupt pharmaceutical companies.
Anyway, that's another whole story. So I'm vocal about do not force somebody to have an injection that they don't want to have, do not force somebody to have a vaccine that they don't want to have. Right. So you'd be like, okay, my body, my choice. This is where I think differently when it comes to abortion.
And this is why I say, for instance, I stand strongly when I speak about topics. Like for instance, the transgender movement. I think that as an adult, you have every right to do [00:22:00] what you want to your body. Every single, right. I draw the line when it is encouraged onto kids. I always say that as an adult, a consenting adult, you can do what you god damn what with your body. I draw the line. When it's pushed onto kids, I draw the line when it's coerced on to children or teenagers.
Right. I've always said that. Y because I don't think we have a right to touch somebody else's body or to encourage someone else to do something against their will to their own body. Like vaccines, like the transgender movement. Do what you want as an adult to your own body. Why is it then? When it comes to abortion, but I think it is different it's because. It's not just you doing something to your body.
There's another life in there. I know this is highly debatable. I understand that, but there's another life I am so extremely protective of children and of babies. And I don't think we have a right to take a baby's life. Yes. Even. Very very young, right? I [00:23:00] am strongly against abortion when it comes to. Oh, my God.
Like it. I don't even like talking about it. It makes me feel sick. Full term babies being aborted in their mother's tummy is despicable to me like utterly despicable to me,
That is a baby. That is a human life. Even in saying that I wouldn't personally have an abortion, even when it's five weeks old. Even when it's. Eight weeks I'm talking about in the womb, not born, obviously like never that's murder. I'm talking about in the womb. I like a five week fetus. I still personally wouldn't do it, but I know many people do. I don't have hard and fast answers on this topic.
Again, I'm just trying to open up the space to talk about it. You can probably tell I'm pretty uncomfortable even talking about it, to be honest. I just think that when it comes to taking another life, another human life, we don't get the right to decide if another human being lives or not. I really think that strongly. And I know that the other point of it is people could say, oh, but you, you think it's okay [00:24:00] to take an animal's life or a plant life or an insect's life.
And look. Their strong points on all of this on every single way you look at this topic, there are strong points. I get that. When it comes to a baby. I personally hold the belief that I don't have a right to take another human being's life. Whether that is in the womb, no matter what age in the womb. Or once it's born.
I don't, I truly don't think that we have a right to do that just because it's an inconvenience. And this is where I stand strongly on this as a topic. If. You falling pregnant as a woman is an inconvenience. Does that give us the right to take that baby's life? I personally don't think so. I genuinely don't think so. Just because it's an inconvenience.
Now I know that there are exceptional circumstances when it comes to someone being forced, right. Forced as [00:25:00] in sex was forced upon them. So the R word. I do think that's different. What's the solution. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think that that person should have to keep that child though. I, I just think that that would be cruel. Would I keep it?
Yes. But I don't think that someone else in that circumstance has to, I think that that would be very cruel. With what they've already been through to then have to raise that child, knowing that it's father was the one that forced them. Okay. So I'm not saying I have these hard and fast rules and everyone needs to think this way.
I just want to talk about it, but. I personally don't agree with abortion. I don't, I obviously think that there are circumstances where I can understand it. And if someone was going to have one. Yep. Okay. Maybe in the first 12 weeks. Okay. Maybe I could understand that better for myself still wouldn't do it, but maybe I can understand that a bit better because it's. Technically still a fetus. I don't bloody know.
I just think that. [00:26:00] We have a shocking lack of responsibility in our world. Shocking lack of self-responsibility. And I think abortion is one of those things that is bled into. Now I could tie this into the feminist movement. I could tie this into the fact that free sex and free love was promoted as a big thing by the feminist movement in the sixties and in the seventies.
And then that's right when the whole. Contraceptive pill came into play and just have sex with whoever you want to be free. And obviously I'm vocal on that. I don't agree with it. I don't. And I think that that has contributed to women's suffering. I actually think it has contributed to women suffering.
I think women are more depressed and more anxious and more suicidal and are breaking down more today than we were years ago. Maybe part of that is just because we have more awareness of it probably. But I also think a lot of the stuff that is promoted by the feminist movement is breaking down us as women.
And I think one of those things is abortion. It [00:27:00] is promoted as an awesome thing to do. I personally think it's sick when it's celebrated. I'm not saying you're sick. If you've had an abortion, I'm saying when it's celebrated and like, almost like let's have an abortion party, like. What you've you've. Chose to terminate a life.
And now you want to have a party about it. Like, I, I think that is sick personally. I don't, I don't agree with it. So look, I don't agree with taking another human being's life. I don't. But I understand why there are some circumstances for I do. I understand. I don't have hard and fast rules I do for myself, but I don't think that they have to be everyone's hard and fast rules. I just think that if we all took a lot more self responsibility for the decisions that we made in our life, Then abortion, wouldn't be promoted in the way that it is because you think about it.
If you had my worldview, for instance, again, I'm not saying it's the answer for everyone. I'm not saying that at all, but if you held my [00:28:00] worldview, you would be very particular about who you have sex with. You'd be very particular about who you enter a relationship with. You'd be very particular about the decisions that you make about your own body, who you allow access to your body, which also affects your mental health, your emotional health, your sexual health, your physical health. Right.
We would become so much more discerning in. In men. As a woman.
So obviously part of this debate is like, when does life actually start? For me, I believe life begins at conception. Like to me, that is a life right.
And so that obviously governs Some of my decisions, right. Because my decisions aren't based on religious reasons, it's purely that it's, that I don't believe I have the right to take another human being's life. I don't. therefore I make life decisions based around that fact, right. That have, I guess helped me to never have to face a decision like that.
I just think if we encourage young women, for instance, if they had that decision that they [00:29:00] would never have an abortion, no matter what that may be, their decisions would be a lot different to how. Many are today where it is definitely seen these days,It's almost like instead of taking a contraceptive pill, you just go and have an abortion.
Like, I, I, I don't think that that is a healthy decision. Another thing is. taken radical. Self-responsibility. I also believe that there is always hope. I am very big on this that no matter how dark a situation, no matter how troubling. How, how heavy something feels in life that there is always hope, even in places where it feels like there is none. So this could play out as someone falling pregnant and being like, I don't know how I'm going to do this.
This is not the right time in my life, or this is not the right, whatever, right. Everything is stacked against me. But you may just surprise yourself and having that baby could end up being the greatest decision of your life and could end up turning your entire [00:30:00] life around in the best way possible that you could have never even comprehended.
And I'll give you an example, someone that I know personally. So her mother actually tried to have an abortion when she was pregnant with her. Right. So she was like, this is not the right time in my life. Absolutely not. I'm not having this baby for whatever reason. And her mother went through with the abortion.
Right. And thought that it was successful and it actually was not a successful abortion. And she ended up having that baby, who is the chick that I know. Right. And so now the chick is like, you know, late thirties, early forties, like she's a full-blown adult now. And her mum said that was scary as shit.
Like she was like, adamant, I'm not having this baby. This is not the right time. This is a very like, no, it wasn't just an inconvenience. It was like, no, I can't do this. Right. I went through with the abortion. That actually was not successful, even though they thought it was at the time, it was not successful for whatever reason. We don't have to go into the graphics of it, but. Ended up having the baby. And [00:31:00] she said it ended up being one of the best decisions of her life and her and her mom are so close.
They have a beautiful relationship. And she said, she's so grateful, that it wasn't successful. So incredibly grateful now. I know that that may not be the case for every single person, but I'm just, I do believe in hope, no matter how dark a situation, I've always been like that. No matter what things can turn around. In ways that you least expect it.
Right? It's happened many times in my life where all hope has felt like it's gone, but something has turned around or something has happened out of nowhere, or the circumstances have changed. And I do believe in hope, very, very strongly that even if you are faced with the toughest of decision, That that baby could end up being the greatest blessing in your life and could just completely turn your life around in ways that you never even expected.
So, I know this is a touchy subject, and I know there's so much more that we need to discuss about this topic. And look, [00:32:00] I will eventually one day get. Experts on to talk about this with me, because I'm not pretending that I know what all about abortion far from it. I mean, I've never even had one. I don't know what the experience is.
Like, nothing like that. So. Yes, I will get experts on to discuss it with me. As I'm not an expert in this topic. This is just me talking about my worldview and why it has governed decisions in my life and why it has made me a lot more discerning. In who I allow access to my body, but also
who I will be in a relationship with longterm, right.
Because it it's a big thing. I'm not going to use abortion as a way to just, you know, as a contraceptive. I don't personally think that that is. Healthy. I think emotionally the impact that this can have on women is profound. I think there's a lot of women still carrying a lot of grief. From abortions that they're regretting again, I know that there are many women out there that do not regret their abortions, including some of my friends.
So I'm not suggesting that. Every woman regrets [00:33:00] having an abortion. That's not the case at all. There are many that are like, I'm so grateful that I did that. But at the same time, You also don't know what you've potentially have missed out on, like, that's the other point of it. You could have had an incredible baby that you just had so much love to give and could have turned your world around and you could have also been like. Had you kept it being like, this is a decision I do not regret keeping.
Right. Cause you don't know. We don't know the other side of our decisions. We only know the decisions that we've actually made. So. Yeah, look touchy subject uncomfortable topic. I know it's raw for many, many women, and it is raw for men. I have seen stories in the past. As I said, when I first started talking of men that wanted to keep their baby, that was rightfully also their baby, but that their partners went and had an abortion against their wishes. And it's gut-wrenching for the men.
Like I actually feel for men that have gone through that, where they're like so excited to find out their father and like, yes, we can do [00:34:00] this, let's do this. And then, you know, the mother has decided to abort. And I think that would be very difficult. I also know of circumstances where. Men have encouraged their partners to have abortions.
And the women are like, I don't want to, this is not what I want, but they've gone through with it. You know, to please their partner and they've had deep regret, like the women have had deep regret about it saying it was like, my body was telling me not to do it, but I went against my own wishes to please him. And it's been one of the worst decisions that they've ever made.
Right? And again, there are women that have had abortions and that say they do not regret it. So I'm understanding there are all different perspectives and all different point of views for myself. It comes down to taking radical self responsibility for my own decisions in life. And for me, that means not taking another human being's life. No matter what stage of development in the womb.
I think I've made that pretty clear. So let's have the discussion. Let's talk about it. Let's raise awareness about this topic. Not from hate, not from shame, not from [00:35:00] anger, but from a place of let's understand each other. Let's just understand. And I will always come back to, for myself. It comes down to it's another life. That's how I feel about it.
That's why I feel very strongly about this for myself. I don't agree with abortion. Of course, it's not just a blanket thing, though. I've made that clear. There are instances where women have been forced, and I think that. There have to be options for them. I don't agree by the way of abortions down the track when they're like full term and all that.
I think that's, that's terrible. But I don't think that a woman who has been forced sexually that she should then be forced to keep that child. There's gotta be something in place, obviously for that particular woman. But. These are not the majority when it comes to the majority. I don't think that it is healthy emotionally for a woman.
I don't think that it's healthy for the child genuinely. I mean, it's literally taking a child's life, [00:36:00] essentially. That is what it is. So. There we are. Let's hold space for this conversation. I'm going to dedicate, as I said, an entire comment chaos episode to this. Message me. Put comments on YouTube or Tik TOK or Instagram, wherever you see this.
I don't doubt people are going to want to share their stories or throw hate my way. And listen, I can hold that. I understand not everybody is going to hear my heart and my humanity in this. Some people will only hear their own anger will only hear their own worldview or only hear their own shame. will only hear, their own hate, whatever it might be.
I understand that I can hold that. It's okay. But I just want to hold space for conversations that are considered taboo that are considered controversial, that are considered off limits by many people. And I wanted to bring a different perspective to what you will commonly see in the media on social media. You don't often hear this perspective of, to me taking radical responsibility means not having one and instead taking responsibility for our [00:37:00] decisions in life.
But I also understand that on the flip side, Someone can say that taking responsibility in life is having one. Cause it's the responsible thing to do. Again, in that decision, it would come down to me saying I don't agree with taking another human being's life. So that's my controversial views on a controversial topic.
Thank you for being here. I know it's a heavy one. Stick around we'll talk about something else next week. I just think we should be able to hold space for whatever the crap we want to talk about. And this is a very. Uh, Heavy topic, but a very necessary one to discuss. And I love your guts as always. Thank you for being here.
Legends. Have a great week. Bye.
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