Ep. 17 | Beyond Religion: Past Lives, Karma, Universal Laws & Spiritual Intelligence with James Pask
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Hollie Wild: [00:00:00] We have a really, just a guy that I absolutely love here. Today's name is James Pask. I actually met him earlier this year and his beautiful wife, Debbie, they're fellow Aussies, and they were running a course that I actually signed up to. It was an energy medicine course, and this is how I met James.
And I was instantly drawn to both James and Debbie. They're both just such beautiful souls in the work that they're doing here, on planet earth is bloody phenomenal. So James is, I'm going to let him introduce himself in a second, but he's a metaphysical teacher and he's a healing facilitator as well.
And he's very passionate about spiritual intelligence and helping people look at different ways of doing life while we're here on planet Earth, which I fully resonate with. And yeah, I just had to get James on the podcast today because we had some similarities when I heard the brief part of James's story.
Story that I know of, religion and coming out of religion and different ways of viewing life and [00:01:00] karma and reincarnation. And I was like, Oh my gosh, we need to chat all of this together. So firstly, I just want to say welcome to you, James, and thank you so much for being here today. I'm like, so grateful to have you here.
James Pask: Oh, you're very welcome. thank you for the invite. it's great to see you again after, yeah, doing the course and just such great respect and admiration for what you're doing as a human being on the planet. And I look forward to having a great chat.
Hollie Wild: Oh, awesome. I'd love if there's anything you want to add to how I've introduced you go for it.
And also I'd love for you to then lead us into a little bit of, as much as you want to go into it of your story of being raised, religious or however you want to define it and what that was all like for you. That would be really cool to start with.
James Pask: Yeah, sure. Yeah, as you said born and raised in a Catholic family and went to a Catholic school and and had a great time.
It was a, it was an amazing experience. But it was, it was quite strict, you know, and I did rebel away from that a little bit in my, in my younger years, to my [00:02:00] mother's horror, but you know, it was a great experience, but I also remember, I was very fascinated by it and up until about, probably about 14 years old, I reckon I wanted to be, Either a priest or a brother, which is kind of like a nun, and they, they taught us at our school.
And I just had great experiences with some of the people in my environment and great guides, coaches, teachers, all that sort of stuff. And then one day at the bus stop, I all of a sudden discovered, you know, Girls at the bus stop and I, you know, . And then when I, when I found out you weren't, you weren't allowed to get married and you could, you know, I was like, oh, I don't think I wanna be a priest or a brother anymore.
So then I went out the window. But my fascination with, you know, these, these people I guess that were, seemed to be so wise and, and spiritual and things like that, really fascinated me. And, and so obviously I was, You know, very much ingrained in that way of looking at things through the, you know, the Christian, especially the Catholic way of looking at things.
Went to church a couple times a week, did all that stuff, was very, very into [00:03:00] it. but then when I sort of started, you know, You know, leaving school, I was still so fascinated by like, we, we were forced to do a study religion as a topic in our, you know, in our year 12. So it was part of our HSC, our final exam.
So it was, it was quite big in our, in our school. And, and so, you know, part of that was exploring, you know, all of a sudden it's like, Oh, there's actually, there's other religions that, you know, Hinduism and all these other. And I was like, Oh, wow. Okay. I didn't, I didn't really know that, you know, being quite, you know, sheltered in that way of looking at things.
And so. When I left school, I was very fascinated with that. at the same time during those experiences, I guess I had, You know, parts of my senses opened up that maybe a lot of people don't at that age or they're dormant because everyone has these intuitive abilities and psychic abilities, but a lot of them lie dormant.
I was very sensitive as a child. And, and so I could see things and hear things and feel things that, other [00:04:00] people, you know, only when I actually checked it out that I'd realized that other people weren't having that same experience. And one of the things was being very empathetic. So I'd really feel.
you know, what was going on for people. And, and so when I went to go and explain some of these things that I was seeing or feeling, because I was, often the class captain or, you know, or vice captain of the school, that's those sorts of things. I often went to represent the school at a lot of funerals and people within our school community or religious community would pass away.
And so I'd be at these, you know, funerals and I'd, I'd, hear things and see things and, you know, and other, other situations outside of that as well. And so when I went to who should be my confidants and spiritual guides at that time, they didn't have any answers for me.
and, and I found that very off, off putting.
And, and so what I learned to do basically was, I discovered that when I, Drank a bit of beer, drank a bit of alcohol, that feeling and [00:05:00] that, that seeing and sensing and feeling dumbed right down and I got a nice warm buzz rather than kind of being overwhelmed by all the information coming into my senses.
And so that kind of like, you know, that then happened for, for quite a few years. And then I met a lady who was a neighbor of ours. her name was Margie Lane and she was a beautiful lady, very much into all this sort of stuff. And she was one of my mom's friends and our neighbor. And she could see, I guess that, you know, maybe see that in my field or in my energy, I'm not sure, but she kind of took me under her wing and used to speak to me about all these other ways of looking at things.
And I was really. Blown away as a young person that there was these different ways of looking at the world and energy. And, she sort of spoke to me a lot about a lot of Buddhist beliefs and things like that. and then also when I left school, I continued my fascination with how, you know, how, how things work, how the universe works.
And so when I moved out of home, I'd often be sitting there with, you know, [00:06:00] friends of mine who were playing video games and trying to get a car to race around a track five seconds faster than the last time they did it. And, and I'd be in the corner having, you know, cups of tea with, you know, maybe Mormon missionaries or Jehovah's Witness people or people that would come around door knocking and I'd say, yeah, come on in.
I'd love to hear what you.
Speaker 5: Talking about
James Pask: what your theory of creation is. And I'd read their books and, you know, we'd have these great chats, sometimes debates, but sometimes just beautiful, you know, chats about their theories of things. And, and my friends used to say to me, what's so, you're so weird. Why are you talking about that sort of stuff with these people?
I'm going to me, it was like, you're looking at a computer screen, like trying to make a cargo and attract, like, look at this, this reality we're in. Don't you want to know about how that. You know, came to be and, you know, what creator is or God is, or, you know, like, this is incredible. Like this is, this is the VR game we should be exploring, not weird stuff on the screen.
Anyway, so, so I guess, yeah, that, that never [00:07:00] left me. My parents still laugh at, they still get people coming around, visiting them. Not so much these days, but a while ago, I still have those people coming around looking for me when I was, when I was living at home. And so I was always very fascinated by that.
And I did, I explored many, many different religions, you know, Scientology, you know, lots of different religions, Buddhism, and, you know, really went in deep to read their texts and understand their philosophy. Cause I was, I was like, wow, this is really fascinating to me that there's these other schools of thought other than, you know, the Pope and God and Jesus and sort of the umbrella that I was sort of,
Speaker 7: you
James Pask: know, had a lot of experience in it.
You know, you have to do Bible studies, all that sort of stuff, of course. So you kind of know that world a lot.
Speaker 3: And,
James Pask: and I was so fascinated to see that, there was a lot of commonality, commonalities, a lot of, what I now know to be universal laws or principles of energy that are kind of taught throughout these different beliefs and structures, you know, around the planet.
and. And even since [00:08:00] then, getting into a lot of Indigenous studies, and you know, Deb's got a degree in, so my wife Debbie's got a degree in philosophy. So, you know, when we met, we're obviously comparing notes and all this sort of stuff. And, and when you look at it from a sort of top down, there's, there's actually so much more that they all have in common than difference.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: which, which fascinated me. I was like, okay, that's really interesting. It's kind of good and confirming, but it also made me wonder then, because when you go to that next level up, it's like, how come, you know, they, they argue and they've, they've got their different, their gods or their deities, and they all sort of argue.
And sometimes they even fight and go to war
Speaker 5: over their
James Pask: beliefs about which one is right and which one is wrong. So that was always, I found that interesting. And so, so I came through that and then, you know, I then, when I Came into, the New Age movement, I guess, which is more the alternative healing.
Like, I studied Reiki and, studied some shamanic studies and, you know, the lady that introduced Debbie and I,
Speaker 7: you know,
James Pask: long time ago now, she was a really good [00:09:00] close friend of mine at the time, and she really trained us a lot in a lot of different, you know, we did transmediumship, we did remote viewing, we did psychic development studies, all different kinds of healing, and that was fascinating, exploring that whole You know whole realm and whole world.
And then I started to move into, I got very very curious about about the healing arts. And so I then, you know, in that exploration, I then discovered some of the healing techniques that, you know, different indigenous cultures have done for thousands of years around the world, both Aboriginal Australian, Native American Indian, even some of the, the work, you know, the family constellation, Bert Hellinger and his work.
You know, that's also based off going around and studying a lot of indigenous cultures when he was looking for ways to, you know, help people through trauma through World War, after World War II in Germany. So, and so that then has been, I guess, my guiding, way of looking at the world since then is more of that sort of spiritual nature [00:10:00] based, and, and, and some of those indigenous philosophies that flow through to add to my kind of collective knowledge and.
beliefs that I've formed over the years looking at all these different viewpoints of how reality works, how creation works, because there's so many.
Speaker 4: Because
James Pask: in the New Age movement, you've got, you know, you can just go on YouTube and there's a, you know, you just have to search a bit and there's there'll be someone who's done a meditation and talk to some, you Being out there and they've got their philosophies and ways of seeing things.
And there's, there's a myriad of information out there about how reality works, who we are as humans, where we come from. There's so much to, you know, and so discernment is really important these days, I think for, for, for us all. So, and in that time, you know, I've done a lot of healing sessions on people.
Run a lot of retreats, and spent my li my life has been really, especially for the last sort 25 years, really in this realm of, after studying a lot myself and apply it to my life, I then thought, oh wow, I just wanna, [00:11:00] this is what I wanna do for a living. And so Debbie and I formed our own business Resonate.
and, and that's what we've been doing since we've been doing, you know, sessions, retreats, workshops. And in the last sort of, what, probably four or five years I'd say we've developed, several of our own healing modalities where we actually teach and train other practitioners to conduct healing, work with, you know, whether it's just on themselves or, or also on clients as well.
So it's been a busy time, but it's been so fascinating and continues to fascinate me even to this day.
Hollie Wild: That's that your, your journey and your experience is so wide and so vast. And that's something that I love and respect. And there's a lot of resonance in what you've said. Even there's differences, but even with my own life that I, that I, That I fully relate to like growing up in, in religion and loving it, like not looking on it as a terrible time in life.
Like it was incredible and it served a purpose, you know, for those, for that time in our life [00:12:00] and until it didn't or until it got to a point where we're like, there's more, there's got to be more, like, we're not getting questions answered or there's, you know, there's, there's more to it than just one way of looking at things.
And I definitely can resonate with that was my exact path. And even when I was. Cause I was raised literally from birth pretty much until I left, quite a very strict, very strict church when I was around 25 years of age. So it was like a big chunk of my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Hollie Wild: But, but during that time, similar to you with some differences, but I was very intuitive, like deeply intuitive.
I would have Constant dreams and in dreams, I would be given messages essentially to give to other people. And I was like, this feels weird, like this, like what's going on. And I would write cards to individuals that were just on my heart and write things in there that I was like, they're going to think I'm weird.
And I would just hand it to them and be like, here's a card for you. And they would come back to me. I've had this multiple [00:13:00] times as a child and teenager and a young adult where they would sob. And I mean couples, women, and they would come to me and be like, how did you know that? And I'm like, I don't know, but it was just something I felt like you needed to hear.
And I couldn't. Explain it. And in my religion, that was, that was not seen as a good thing. Cause it's like, it's coming to me in a dream. Like, yeah, there was just lots of different intuitive things happen. I remember one time feeling compelled to send flowers to a couple that I, that I had not had contact with for a while.
And I was just like, this is weird, but I have to get their address. And just messages kept coming to me in dreams and I'd send them flowers and then find out it was the anniversary of the death of someone in their family. And I'm like, how do I know this information? Like, this is just. Just so many things kept happening, and I felt very in tune with nature, with animals, and I just started to have so many questions in my religion, and it was like, I don't think I believe anymore that there's a hell.
I don't think I believe anymore this, and I don't think that, and [00:14:00] once the questions started to come, everything just started to unravel for me, where I was like, wow, And then at age 33, I went through this massive, like dark night of the soul where every single one of my beliefs in the space of like a year, I addressed every single one and was like, what do I actually believe?
And that sent me on a journey where that's another thing I relate to you of just this wonder of the universe and what is God and is there a God and what's this and what's the purpose to life and our existence and what's out there that we don't see? And. Like all of it. I just have such like a thirst of just wanting to understand and make sense of things, not from a place of I have to have answers or, you know, I'm not happy, but just wonder and awe of what's out there.
And yeah, so I really resonate with your story. And I just love how you are so open. To understanding different ways of thought, you don't see it as something that's challenging your beliefs. Like you just have this awe and wonder. And I really, really [00:15:00] respect that in individuals because I have to admit that wasn't encouraged in my upbringing in the church.
We were actually taught. Don't question. We were actually taught that in our particular church. Do not question. If you question anything in the Bible or anything that we're teaching you, it means that you're opening up your mind. What they taught us was you're opening up your mind to the devil and the devil can come in.
And that to me, and I'd love to get your opinion on this, but that to me kind of shows flaws because it's like, there's, there's so much B. Then maybe you don't actually believe what you're proclaiming as truth. If, if you fear questioning it, because I don't know, in my opinion, if you can't question something, then maybe there's a fear that it's not actually true.
Or maybe there's a fear that, that, you know, people will be led astray if they open up their, their mind to it. I'd love to get your thoughts on that.
James Pask: That's a really good point. Cause, cause it's a, it's a double edged sword that one, because I can see why, well, first of all, What you're [00:16:00] describing there.
I've also found that even studying different modalities and ways of thinking that are meant to be enlightened. And as soon as you start questioning and asking too many questions,
Speaker 3: they
James Pask: don't like it, you know, so, which is, which is fascinating. Cause truth to me should be able to be questioned from all angles and it still holds true.
That, that's, that's what I, that's how I come to a truth myself. I go, if I asked that from all angles, does that hold up? Does that hold up? And, and, and if it can, then I say, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to take that on as my truth, you know, for now anyway, and I'm, and I'm open to questioning and reviewing my beliefs all the time, because I think it's the only way you can really evolve as a human being, because we've got to remember at any given time, we do have a mind that's extremely programmable.
And this is the tricky thing about being human is because, you know, we can, we can send us to anyone into a movie theater and we can show them some, some actors on a screen with some, some sights and sounds and some music, and we can have those [00:17:00] people scared to death, feeling inspired and they can change the world.
Crying, crying. Cause they're sad, crying with laughter, you know, just by showing things that aren't actually real. Just, you know, and so. And we can see, can't we, just looking at the world, how many different beliefs of all different extremes there are on our planet. And so, and so I think it's one thing is to, is to always be questioning that mind and, and wondering what's going on.
But, but what you said is a really fascinating thing because I do also see that I think what happens when people hold on to a truth and because a lot of, a lot of religious beliefs, especially, you know, Christian and Buddhism, They are aware of a lot of things, not so much in the. Some parts of Christianity, anyway, where they're aware of some of the other forces and some of the other things that can trick humans into,
ways of doing things and being as a human that can take you, you know, off your path of, you know, enlightenment, I guess.[00:18:00]
And so I can see why they might not want people out there playing around and getting into. You know, occultism, I guess, and things that can, you know, lead you to be open to some of the not so light forces in our reality coming on, coming into a person, having an effect on them. So I can see how I, what I call that these days is discernment because people are moving away some of, some of these more traditional.
ways of doing things, religions, and they're starting to explore other areas, especially in the new age movement. and so it's almost like a bit of a cage that stops you from exploring what's out there, but then you get into, you know, a bigger, A bigger cage if you like and I heard it once described as the new cage movement in an article
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I
James Pask: just I can't remember who it was but I just thought that is so true because you've got one cage It says this is these are the rules, you know in the past for humans.
[00:19:00] It was, you know You know, you had the two pillars that control man. You've got the, you know, the king who tells you what you can and can't do in the physical world of reality. And you've got the priest who tells you what you can and can't do and what the rules are on the metaphysical side of reality.
And there was no real movement for exploration of the self in, in, in any way, really, and we've come a long way from that. And so people are now opening up because of that, when you constrict something for a long time, it's naturally, you know, this is what's happening is we're all being constricted from the outside, and the inner awakening is happening on the inside, and so people are out there looking for answers and explanations, and there's a lot of energies out there that are more than happy to say, hey man, you want to give source energy that's inside you, you want to give that away to something outside of yourself?
Hey, I'll be whatever you want me to be. I, yeah, let me in and, you know, pray to me. I'll put my hand up and I'll take some of that prana energy. And so I can see why some religions have that viewpoint, especially when they think that they've found the one. And they all do. [00:20:00]
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think
James Pask: that their way is the way.
and so, and so then they say, well, and if they're aware, which a lot of them are, that there's other things out there, they go, well, we don't want you playing around because you don't want people going around playing with Ouija boards and, and getting into doing all sorts of different types of witchcraft, nor different things that can possibly lead to, Other energies that are darker in their nature, influencing a person.
So I understand why they, they're so black and white. But it also, in and of itself, limits a person. and, and to me, the whole thing that's gone wrong is that they've, everyone's been going like that. Instead of like this going inside. When you go inside, there's nothing that's going to trick you in there inside your heart, your fractal of this divine energy.
Whereas when you go out there looking for it, there's so many different things on all the different multi dimensions of our existence are looking for some [00:21:00] sort of Prana to feed off and live off in between the realms, between. You know, the oneness in between the earthly planes and so, and so you do have to be careful, you know, even, even if you're a sort of a lot enlightened person, you're no longer in religion, we're all doing yoga, we're all doing these cool things and we're doing meditations.
There is, you know, we do have to be careful and discerning about who we, who we pray to, I guess, who we give our energy away to, because, it is a bit like the wild west out there in those astral realms. And so, and discernment is key. That's why, A big part of what Dev and I teach is to go within, you know, because we're a fractal of the infinite in, in, from my perspective.
And so why do we need to go out there when that fractal is, is inside of us and we can explore that. That same realm from within.
Hollie Wild: You said that so well, James. Yeah. You've raised some really good points there. Actually. I'd love for you to elaborate on as well, about your views on, so what are different energies that, [00:22:00] that like, okay.
So you've just explored. The fact that there are other energies that want to take our prana that want to take our energy. And by the way, that was a big thing that I resonated with yours and Debbie's work is the fact that you lead us in, you lead us into ourselves, which I was like, yeah, I definitely want to train with these guys and have you guys as mentors for sure.
Just because I instantly I was like, yeah, you guys. you're not leading us to other energies out there that could be dangerous. I'd love for you to let us know your thoughts on what is out there. What, when you talk about, for instance, I fully agree. I'm not touching, you know, what are they called? Your Ouija boards and all of that stuff.
I've never gone there with any of it. I've just always had this gut feeling of don't go there, like don't go there. And I have that with certain things. Yeah. What, what is it? What, what do you think is out there that can be trying to take our energy?
James Pask: Well, a whole, a whole range of things, really, it's a, it's a huge question, but there's, [00:23:00] different dimensions of reality.
And some of those dimensions have, all different life. Like you look at our life and we can only see a very, very small part of the light spectrum. So human beings, we can see a tiny, tiny fractal of it. And we look around at our planet, we see a whole range of different species. and some of those species are, more herd, you know, or prey animals like horses and, you know, cows and, and deer and things like that.
And some of them, when we look around, they're more predatory in their nature. It's not wrong or right. It's just the nature of their being. and, And so some energies, you know, they, they nibble on grass and other things like, you know, viciously attack and kill and,
Speaker 7: you know,
James Pask: create bloodshed and all that sort of stuff for them to eat, eat and live.
And so just like on our reality here, there's all these different species and expressions of divine life. On all these other dimensions, all these other parts of reality that we can't see with our eyes, but, but they exist there and [00:24:00] take some time, space, location, there's life everywhere. And just like here, we've got some lighter beings, and then on, on those fields of energy, there's also more predatory beings in nature that, that really need to, you know, feed off some other source energy.
And so what we've found is through exploring this kind of area for a long time is on these different levels that we can't necessarily see into, you can train to see into them, and you know, you're going to see some really interesting things if you can do that, you can see some great things and you can see some really, some of the darker aspects of reality.
And I've been through those experiences before and, and it was a bit hairy at some stage, but it was also amazing in other ways as well.
Speaker 7: You
James Pask: know, when you open up to seeing into these other areas, you can't just choose to see one, one part of it. You see all aspects of life, just like if you go out to explore this world, you know, we can look at, you know, we look at life.
If we look at it, we won't choose to see it where there is a lighter and darker aspect of our, our world that's taking place here at any [00:25:00] given moment.
And so, and so what we find in these other realms is that there are beings there that have re, they've been so far removed from the source energy that exists through all of life, that they need, they're so small, it's like the yin yang symbol, you know?
Some beings are mostly light, with a bit of darkness in them, and, and there's other beings that are mostly dark, but they've still all got that little bit of light in them. They must have. Cause they're all part of that one expression of divine energy, but some have moved so far away from it that they really now need other life force energy to, to, to feed off, to, to be able to live and survive.
And they're more in that predatory kind of energy. And so they can manifest as all different types of things, you know, like, you know, I think we're probably only on the tip of the iceberg of exploring what other energies and what other realms are out there. talking about, you know, the different dimensions.
And some of those things, they would like [00:26:00] to explore what it's like to be inside a human being and to have some sort of influence in our, in our world. and so some of those energies, very much do so. Some of these energies have been prayed to, and, have had human beings giving their power away to them for a very long time on our planet.
Speaker 7: For
James Pask: this particular epoch of time anyway, and so what we find is they actually do have quite a bit of influence in the day to day lives of our world. and so this, this was when I first found this out, to be honest, I found it quite scary, and shocking, but then after a while, it helped me come to a place of understanding what's happening on our planet because from a young age, I would question things I'd say, you know, why are there all these poor people?
Why don't they just give them money? You know, like, why are these things happening in our world? And it was a man named Don Tolman who sat me down when I was about 19. And he [00:27:00] told, he used to call the pharmaceutical industry, the harmaceutical industry, who used to talk about a lot of the corruption in there.
And he said, look, that's just one industry. Yeah. There's a financial industry. There's corruption all through there. There's all these different things that go on in all these industries. You know, the Teflon, everyone knows about the Teflon plan story and how they knowingly put. Toxic stuff out there for a long time, hurting the environment, a lot of people.
And so when we go up and we look at some of the leaders in our world and some of the things that are taking place in our world, what we find at the very top of the tree here is we find people that have, you know, Got the old genie lamp and they've rubbed the genie lamp and the genies popped out and said, Hey, you got three wishes.
but there's a price for everything. Nothing comes for free. And so what a lot of these people and family lines and things like that have been promised is a lot of wealth and fame and control, but they've had to do the bidding of some of these energies that are from other, you know, Realms and other [00:28:00] dimensions.
And so that's why we see a lot of the traumatic things happening on our, on our planet, because we're, what we find is that, from my perspective anyway, and a lot of other people, I'm not the only one saying this, a lot of the people on the planet have now come to realize that, you know, there are, we are being influenced from things that aren't necessarily the pure human spirit.
Now in, from, from a religious worldview, You know, this is why I'm saying there's so much more in common than there is uncommon from a literal view. They would say that's, the devil. That's Satan and his influence. That was my next question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah,
James Pask: and to be honest, it is, you know, but it's just different words describing the same energy.
So isn't that fascinating in and of itself that every religion that I've looked at anyway, has got an understanding of a darker side of life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they call
James Pask: it the djinn, the devil, all these different names they have for it. in Native American Indian, you know, they call it Wittigo. There's lots of different names describing a force that [00:29:00] inherently seems like it's trying to create suffering for other beings.
And so, and so the answer has seemed to be promoted to us anyway, that the answer is, is, is an external godhead of some sort. and I believe that is, One of the biggest tricks that's been played on humanity is the answers that we seek and It's an outside saviour of some sort, and people have been seeking this assistance and this help from these outside saviours, deities, gods, guides, angels, whatever you want to call it, there's, there's all these external things that are outside of the person, that they are somehow wiser, more enlightened, more important than the new, or the tree, or our cat, or our dog, who are all, to me, these expressions of this one divine energy, expressing itself in all different forms.
And people have been praying [00:30:00] to these, external things for a long time, asking for help, asking for, you know, for a good crop. asking for all sorts of things. And at different times, you can have two sides, two competing armies at war with each other. Just look at the crusades. They're all praying to their God and they're all praying to their God.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: And they're arguing over which God head is more important. And they literally kill each other because of that.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. It's crazy.
James Pask: And you know, this argument over which God head or which date he is the right one has been the cause of more wars than any other thing throughout our history.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: I mean, that seems really interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. You're not wrong there. And I'd love, you know, you go, you can. I was just
James Pask: going to say, what if instead, instead of, because as soon as you go like that, and you, you pay something outside of yourself, you are saying that, What's in here is not enough. The subconscious message is what's inside you, this [00:31:00] energy.
I'm not plugged into anything like this, the lamp is here. There's a force in me that's the same life force that flows through the trees, all of life, the sun, the earth. It's expressing itself in beautiful different forms. And as soon as I start praying to something outside of myself, I'm inherently saying that this inside me is not enough.
And so it's disempowering to the being. And so we've been doing this, and it doesn't matter. What religion, what following, whether it's in the new age movement, they say, Oh, I'm spiritual, I'm not religious. And so they think they're somehow better because they're praying to an ascended master or a guide or an angel or whatever it is, there's still external things.
It's just, it seems like it's so much more freeing,
Speaker 6: but it's still,
James Pask: still the same thing. what if in that time throughout history, because I would say that humanity should be going to their deities and their, their guides and their gods and asking for a refund. Because they've done a shit job. They haven't fulfilled their promises.
That's such a, it's a big thing [00:32:00] to say, but honestly, I'm looking around the world these days. I'm like. What is going on here?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: You know, we have really had the wool pulled over our eyes, from my perspective, you know, not everyone has to take this on, and it's not as far as making something wrong or right.
I just see this as an evolution of humanity. We are coming out of one epoch and going into another, coming out of Pisces, going into Aquarius. Pisces was pyramid structure, top down heavy,
Speaker 6: which is
James Pask: what religion is, and Aquarius is more about returning power to the people. So it's not that those things were wrong.
Because they still had some beautiful teachings and, and ways of treat each other the way you want to be treated yourself, all those kinds of great teachings. But there were some key things left out of those teachings, I believe, that kept the power at the top, instead of empowering the many and having it like a circle rather than a pyramid.
And so, What if, in that time throughout history, instead of people praying to these things outside of themselves, and in fact going to war over whose one was better than the other, what if they all were [00:33:00] taught, which I believe is the truth, that you are, what is inside you, is a fractal of that creator source energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. An expression
James Pask: of this divine source energy, and so we should treat each other with love and respect and kindness. We should work together. In fact, not only just humans, but we should also work in harmony with the trees, the bees, the bears, all of life.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Because
James Pask: it is all an expression of this one divine energy.
What would the last, let's just go back 10, 000 years, what would that have been like if humans were treating each other and the species and the earth herself from that perspective? Yeah. What if they were praying, instead of going like that, they were going inside here and working with each other collectively?
Hollie Wild: What a different world it would be, that's for sure.
James Pask: Yeah, totally. I think it would have been very, very different.
and, and I believe that is the next part of our evolutionary journey on the planet, is to come back to that remembering of who and what we are, [00:34:00] and, and that we are all of that same one energy expressing itself in different forms.
It's going to help us relate to ourselves better. It's going to help us relate to each other. It's going to help us relate to our minds, our, our spirit, spiritual energy, or the other species on the planet, the earth, the universe, it will completely transform the way you see the world and the way you relate to the world and therefore how you experience the world.
Yeah.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. I couldn't agree more with literally everything you just said. And one of the things like the more that you go within, the more you also, I believe, take accountability for yourself as well. And for how you are, as you said, interacting with literally everything in life, not just humans, but everything.
So I think it, it does take more accountability when you actually go within rather than, you know, Put all your focus on an outside deity, because that was something that I did struggle with when I, I, you know, no longer considered myself a staunch Christian was, I found that [00:35:00] there was a low barrier to entry.
In my opinion, as a Christian, especially in the church that I was in, all you had to do was just say a prayer and, you know, confess that you were a sinner and, you know, Jesus died on the cross for you type thing that someone that you were that shitty of a person that you were born inherently that shitty that someone had to literally die on a cross for you, but you just had to confess with your mouth.
That's all you had to do. And you're in the club, right? You you're in heaven. I don't know. That sounds like probably a. A wanky way of putting it. I probably sound like I'm being rude and I don't mean it in that way at all. It's just, it is a low barrier to entry. You don't have to work on yourself. You don't have to even work on your health or work on how you interact with other people.
You can still be, you know, I mean, there was many in our church that were so self righteous and arrogant and weren't nice human beings to be around, but yet,
Speaker 3: yep
Hollie Wild: know, they get to make heaven their home because they've said the prayer that was the barrier to entry. And I think that The sad part of that [00:36:00] is, yeah, you don't have to work on yourself and you don't have to work on how you're interacting with every part of existence.
But when you go within and you realise I am a fractal of God, of the creator, of oneness, whatever you want to call it. I actually don't give a damn what people call it. I don't think whatever it is cares either. but we are literally a fractal of that. It's like the way that then you look at your brother, your sister, your neighbor, your, your.
It's like, I am them and they are me. Like, why would I want to hurt them? And even though we still do, and we still make mistakes. And, but I don't know, just you, you show up to life with a bit more accountability I find anyway, and it puts it back onto us rather than something outside of us.
James Pask: 100 percent and then you just touch on something that's very important.
It's a journey, you know, it's a journey, but wouldn't you make a journey? Wouldn't you rather make a journey too? Cause I look at this and say, look, I, I remember going to a funeral, you know, my wife's cousin, cousin and, sorry, not a cousin, her. one of her relatives, I can't remember who it was, I think it was her aunt's cousin.
[00:37:00] Anyway, we were there, and we were sitting there, and, and, you know, this lady had died, and we weren't celebrating her life. There was like a ten minute talk about her. It was all celebrating the life of Jesus.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: And I said, I said, I looked at her and said, who are we celebrating here? I mean, you know, this is, this is so full on.
It was all about talking about Jesus, all about worshipping him. And this is what, I came to realize and, and,
you know, that energy that we call oneness, that's in and through all things, is expressing itself in different forms. Do we really think it would need to solicit the energy of worship?
pray to me, bow to me, give your energy to me. Or is it just in everything and everyone experiencing, learning and growing involves me as one divine intelligent energy.
And, you know, this, I really started to question things because I'm looking at this and saying, okay, here we are. And if we are all a fractal of energy, source energy, so much more powerful than we could ever possibly imagine, but we were, we were put inside avatars, bodies, human [00:38:00] bodies, bodies. And, and, and a mind here and that mind has been programmed with all of these stories, all of these stories from the moment we're born, we, we get programmed by the religions we're in, whatever that is all around the world, we get programmed by the teachings we get.
We all go to school and learn the same thing, all in class, we're not learning individually about what our talents and skills are. And so there's a lot of programming that happens. Now if you could convince a whole species of creators of source energy, that you're not source energy. I am I don't care what you are if you're a god if you're an angel if you're you know there's lots of deities.
All right, look at there's so many different things that people pray to all different things. On the dark spectrum, there's a lot more satanists on our planet than everyone would care to believe. Yeah, I'm
Hollie Wild: learning that. Yeah.
James Pask: Yeah. And then there's, you know, then there's the whole spectrum of light and dark.
We all think that's good, that's bad. But it's all, to me, a group of energies that are putting themselves up as saying, Hey, here, [00:39:00] pray to these things. And we're programmed to do that. And so what you've got here, if we stop and think about it for a moment, you've got infinite source energy. Instead of awakening in itself and working together on the planet, it's being funneled through prayer and worship, in all different rituals, to these beings up there and out there, that are feeding, feeding off that source energy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, wow.
James Pask: That's a very powerful thing.
Speaker 6: Hmm.
James Pask: So, so, if you start to try, all you have to do is go, stop the funnel and go up. I'm going to revoke and renounce any and all agreements with those beings. I'm not going to give you my Prada anymore, but I'm going to explore what's in here. As soon as you start doing that, what do you think they're going to do?
They're not going to be happy. No, like, Hey man, my, one of my rechargeable batteries just, just canceled out, you know, and they've had a midlife crisis and they're buying a new car and they're off on their freedom journey. And they're doing a film and voice thing, reading all these great books that are not about [00:40:00] me.
and so they're not happy. And so they'll try and bring you back in, you know, conditional love. They'll try and harass and make it difficult for you to go on that journey of awakening. You know, and if you just persist with that first sort of, you know, period of time and come out the other side, it's so life changing because then you start to go on that journey in here.
And I call it instead of, because so many people on this planet, especially in the new age movement, alternative healing, they say, we need to ascend. We need to ascend. We need to go somewhere other than where we are right now. I don't believe that to be true. I believe it's about incension because home is where the home is, where the heart is and Your spirit essence, your higher self, if we can just learn to wake up and remember who and what we are and explore this, explore this divinity that's in us, explore the divinity that's expressing itself through the tree outside there or, you know, the earthworms, and understand how that all works together in this beautiful [00:41:00] synergistic harmonic way to create it.
you know, this incredible life we have here.
but instead we're, it's all about what's out there.
and the other thing that it's starting to be pushed on us as, as a, as a human species is, is what we're talking about right now. Yeah. This technology, you know, AI coming down the track. There's all these things coming,
Speaker 5: you know,
James Pask: the metaverse, there's a lot of things there that are, that are external explorations rather than internal.
Speaker 5: And
James Pask: so, that's why, I think it's so important to, to keep that balance and to learn, to go within more than ever before in the history of our planet. Because yeah, so. Yeah. There's a lot to, a lot to unpack there in those few, few comments, but I'm happy to do that. But it's, it's a big one. It's a really big thing that we're faced with here because for a long time, we have really been programmed to give our prayer away to these things outside of ourselves.
And it's about us waking up and [00:42:00] remembering and creating a different way of relating to each other and everything else on the planet by remembering who, what we are.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. And you've said the word discernment quite a few times, which I fully agree with. It's about, it is about having discernment. And, and I think the.
I mean, I'd love to get your view of this, but the more you do come within, the more you have that strong self authority and you understand yourself more and become more connected with your own intuition and all of that, the stronger, I guess, your discernment can be with knowing where to go, where not to go.
you know, like even with what you said with like, for instance, the new age movement, I'd love for you to explore more on what you meant by having discernment even with that.
James Pask: Well, with the new age movement, there's, there's a lot of, there's still a lot of, you know, people channeling different things. and you know, the word channeling can sometimes be a dirty word, but if you're channeling something that's from your higher self or from your greater being, you know, that's different to connecting in with say, you know, a blue avian.
Being that's on the 250th [00:43:00] dimension. That's like, and they're giving you, see, the thing is that a lot of these energies, they're not going to appear as what they're not going to tell you their true agenda. they're going to appear as beautiful, amazing beings. In fact, they're going to share with you some incredible healing knowledge so that you let them in and you give your power away to them.
And then if you're, if you're being a teacher in that area, they can then work through you and in line all your followers. Because they, by stepping into your domain, they give their power away to you, and you're giving your power away to these beings that you're channeling or working with. And it's rife throughout the New Age movement.
And, and it's, it's really no different. It's just still, it's just replacing one, one external guide with another.
Speaker 5: You
James Pask: know, and, and again, it can be incredible. You know, we hear stories about some incredible healing journeys with people doing this sort of stuff, but it's still needing something external. So what if you can do all of those [00:44:00] things by working with your own internal energy?
And I think evolutionary wise, I think that's a better way. you know, more empowering thing to be working towards. And again, it's not about making things right or wrong. I just see it as, I've always been trying to figure out what's, what's the best thing we can do for ourselves to heal, to awaken, to evolve as a being.
and to me, this, this, this self empowerment, place of going within or this incension, is a way to go. And it was, it was once taught to me that the first law of spiritual development is to know thyself. And the last law of spiritual development is to know thyself as source energy.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow.
James Pask: And so there's a lot of steps in between there.
And so what happens is, because a lot of these groups do things very well. They create a community. They create a sense of belonging. And to the extent that you don't govern yourself physically and metaphysically is to the extent that an external government or energy will govern [00:45:00] your reality. Yeah.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And so this is all about learning how to govern ourselves physically and metaphysically in our lives so that we can take power back. And it's not just a click of the fingers, as you said before, say a prayer and everything's done. It's, it's a journey
Speaker 5: and it's
James Pask: not, it's not an easy journey.
But when I, when I was researching this kind of spiritual path throughout a lot of different teachings, it was often referred to as the great work. and, And I really understand what they mean now, because it is, it is the work that we need to be going on as a species is, you know, what I call spiritual intelligence, where it's learning how to go within.
And when the first part of doing that is to get to know yourself. And that's where people often, they start and they get stuck in that. Because all of a sudden, It's been very easy, as you said, to just, Oh, I just have to go and, you know, tell the priest about my sins and just say a prayer and do this. And I'm good, you know?
and then we're going on in life. We're not really seeing anything [00:46:00] changing. We're like, Hmm, we're getting divorces where, you know, this is happening. This is going on. Why isn't, why aren't things like getting better? Why isn't my reality changing? Why aren't I manifesting the things I want? and it's because there's.
We're not going in to understand the self. and within that, when we first open up Pandora's box, it's like, whoa, you know, it's like, damn,
Speaker 3: I've
James Pask: got trauma from childhood. I've got, I've got mom and dad issues. I've got trauma that's being passed down through my family line. Oh, wow. I had no idea that I. I'm an infinite being.
I've, this isn't my first rodeo. I've had all these other lifetimes and I'm bringing through trauma from there. I'm bringing through vows and agreements from past lives, and other lifetimes and realities, that are blocking me. And so the first thing we need to do is we need to get to know ourselves or the good, the bad, the ugly, and everything in between, and once we clear all the programming, all the, all the limitations, all the trauma away is where we start to see the specks of light start to emerge from within.
And it's a beautiful thing. And then we just keep going and working on that. And this could take, [00:47:00] you know, a year, it could take 10 years. It might take you multiple lifetimes. It might take epochs of time.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: But what else is there to do than to come back to that understanding of ourselves as. Knowing ourselves as source energy.
one of the sayings is that, you know, we come from all things to experience all things, to return to all things. And, and, you know, we, we just, it's really difficult to know where each of us are individually on that journey. Are we only just coming out and starting?
Speaker 5: Or are
James Pask: we, have we been around a lot and we're now coming back and we're sort of finishing off some of the big lessons and ready to experience ourselves back in the oneness?
You know, we don't, we don't know. We're all individually on our path and our journey. Yeah, so it's an interesting thing. So to me, that's why it's so important to, to be working on what I call, spiritual intelligence. And that is, understanding everything we're talking about
Speaker 7: here.
James Pask: To understand that journey from knowing yourself, to knowing yourself as Source Energy.
And it's a remembering, and it's a [00:48:00] journey. of awakening, and developing your intuition, which to me is tuition about going within. Developing and awakening all these dormant gifts and senses of spirit that we have, to make our lives individually and collectively,
Speaker 7: you know,
James Pask: much more connected, more loving, more compassionate for ourselves and each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
James Pask: And from that place, we can then connect to, and even think about was so human centric on this planet. We can start opening up and going, Oh, wow. We're on this massive spaceship hurtling through time and space. We're not the only ones here.
Speaker 3: You
James Pask: know, there's all these other species here and, and the planet herself as a living being.
And, and, and when we start to go on that journey, once we start to deal with our major stuff, it's like, we're so busy. We're so traumatized and programmed as a human, we don't see it. And then we sort of go, we start to lift our heads up a bit and go, oh wow, oh wow, everything, I'm not just anyone who's alive and has source energy.
There's all these other species out here that have this. And, and let's learn to talk to them and communicate [00:49:00] and, and interrelate with them. And it becomes this beautiful journey, of wonder and amazement rather than, you know, going from one trauma to the next.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. And you touched on past lives. I'd love for you to, to talk a bit, if you, if you can, just on what you mean by that.
yeah. What your theories are on past lives, just anything that you want to say about that?
James Pask: Well, it was fascinating to me because when I first learned about that, I, of course, came from the Catholic tradition where it's, you know, you come here, you're born, you have, you know, hopefully 80 or a hundred years as a, as a white Australian male.
And then depending on if I've been good or bad, I'll go to heaven or hell and that's it.
that's what I believed for a long time. And then I, I went to. Do I started studying these other religions and I was like, reincarnation, like,
Speaker 7: you know,
James Pask: Christianity doesn't necessarily believe in that. So, so I was like, who else is saying that?
And I discovered like almost half the world. I was like, Whoa,
Hollie Wild: that's a
James Pask: big deal. And I saw that [00:50:00] blew me away. So I went down that path a lot. And, I even discovered that in India that there's, you know, it's, there's, it's quite common for, you know, children to remember their past lives. And so, and they have these difficulties where they'll like turn six or seven and they'll start wanting to have their parents in the body they're in there, take them over to this other village, so they can go back and visit their wife who's still alive.
And then they see each other and have these connections and it's a little bit difficult because it's like, well, I'll go They're wanting him to just be their seven year old little boy, but he's going to hang out with his, you know, and there's, you know, University of Washington, there's some, interesting psychologists that have, been working with and studying with children who remember their past lives.
And they've actually taken them to places and they've pointed out where they used to live and they've investigated it and found out, well, we can't deny that, what they're saying is factual. This is amazing. This really opens up. We're kind of leaning into some, you know, proof, that these things exist.[00:51:00]
And yeah, people have been talking about this for a long time. but I like to, when I hear things, I start to, okay, well, you know, is there any proof about that? And it's hard to say proof, but you know, it's certainly very compelling.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: Since then, I've, through my work, I've taken probably over 17, 000 people back into Past life aggression and things like that.
So for me, it's a knowingness. before I did that, it was an idea and a concept that sounded fascinating. but then when I sort of started to learn some of the indigenous understandings of things, and even some of the yogis, like the yogis, for example, believe that you have 8, 400, 000 lifetimes as other creatures.
Speaker 6: on this
James Pask: planet before you even start incarnating as a human.
Speaker 6: Wow.
James Pask: So that is mind blowing. So then that falls in line with some of the other things I've been taught, and that is that we come here as a little ball of light, and we start to, we come through this particular solar gate, which is our star, the sun, into this solar system, into this particular planet, [00:52:00] and we start here as The very beginnings of life and mebers, you know, minerals, rocks, you know, all that sort of stuff.
And then we start to maybe manifest as, you know, plant life, then insect life, then animals, and then as a human being, to come here and you have, we're talking about as the Yogi's 8 million, 400, 000, who knows what the number is, but many, many, many lifetimes. experiencing what it's like to be that divine energy and lots of different avatars experiencing what it's like to just be a little amoeba and just like just pulsing in the pond and just sort of, you know, to being a kangaroo jumping around or an eagle flying high in the sky, human for thousands of lifetimes, learning about all aspects of life, love, hate, being a bully, being bullied, you know, what's it like to be male, female, what's it like to do all these different things that life has to offer and experience.
And then when I leave this planet. And I'm traveling away in my little ball of light suit, and I look back at Earth and I [00:53:00] go, Yeah, that was, that was what planet Earth's like. Yeah. I can, I can hand on heart say, Wow, I've experienced what that was like. That was cool. Where are we off to next? You know. Yes.
so when I realized that, I was like, Yeah, that makes more sense actually. Even just logically you go, yeah, if I was going to come to a planet in a solar system, make sense to explore lots of different aspects of that.
yeah. And then, so that's what, and, and being, taking people back into past lives, I've, I've taken people back to being trees, being all sorts of animals, an amoeba, a rock, One guy were working on his confidence issues and it went back to him being on a part of a mountain and then the volcano erupted and this big segment, this big chunk got sped off and went miles and miles away and he felt totally disconnected from his original You know, lump of earth and locked in all these separation issues.
Speaker 6: Wow.
James Pask: Totally, I know. Asthma, going back to eating a tree and [00:54:00] fire coming through and causing issues around that. it's just, it's infinite. I could tell you lots and lots of different stories about that. so to me, when you learn this stuff and then you're taking people from different walks of life. And different belief systems back to experience all these things.
It makes you realize it's like, Whoa, okay, there's something going on here. And me being who I am, of course, I then, what is going on? And I want to explore that and find out. And, and so that's been amazing. And then probably the most interesting thing that's been, you know, probably the last 10 years is realizing that I am a factor of the infinite and going there for information.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: You know, that's been really interesting. You know, and some of the, this is where a lot of our healing techniques that we use in our work and stuff have come from as well as learning things over the years as well. But, you know, it's been amazing to tap into that inner wisdom, my greater being and, and, and learn from it.
Rather than [00:55:00] necessarily other people's information, other books, other things like that, and go into that oneness energy, you
Speaker 6: know,
James Pask: that's been quite profound.
Hollie Wild: And just what you said then, excuse me, you, you briefly mentioned about maybe in one life you've experienced, I can't remember the word you used, but like, you know, maybe you were a bully, whereas in the next life you were.
bullied or something. You said something along those lines. Are you alluding to, to karma? And if so, I'd love to, to get your thoughts on that as well.
James Pask: Yeah, well, that's a really interesting one. Karma. It's, it's really, it's a word that describes part of, one of the universal laws, which is the law of compensation.
and that is that we get compensated for our actions and inaction. So everything we experience, everything that we do and say and speak and, actions, they will eventually enfold onto us. You know, you'll hear these sayings like the circle of life, you know, and so we're here to experience all these different aspects of life.
But if I go out there and I be a bully [00:56:00] and I want to go down, I want to go to school and I want to bully all the kids and, you know, be the big dominant person. There's not a. Bolt of lightning or a big voice that says thou shall not be a bully, James. You know, I can go and do that. Maybe there's some manmade laws or a teacher or a policeman that stops you from doing things.
But a lot of people get a lot of work away with a lot of stuff. Also, they think
Speaker 5: we might be,
James Pask: we might be able to evade the laws of man, but no being in now in this universe anyway, can evade the laws of the universe. And one of those is the law of compensation. So, so that person that will be a bully.
At some stage, they will have to experience what it's like to be bullied themselves in some way, because then reality says, which makes sense, it's like, you know, it's two sides of the same coin. One is deemed wrong or right by us and our mind, but the universe doesn't see it that way. The universe just says, okay, well, you've done that and then you have to experience that back upon yourself.
Now you understand that creation totally. And [00:57:00] now you can go and create something differently.
and so, you know, we do find, sometimes healing work is about taking responsibility for your role in that.
Speaker 6: You
James Pask: know, the, the ancient Hawaiians have their honopono technique where it's like, you know, whatever my role is in this, I'm sorry, please forgive me.
I love you. Thank you. So it's a quick version of saying, Hey, my bad. I might've killed some people in a past life. Sorry. Sorry, everyone. Sorry. Peace, peace, blessings. and hopefully, you know, in that awareness and forgiveness, they don't need to experience the other side of it. but sometimes we do need to take people back, either seeing it in the, the, the, the energy, the quantum healing room that, you know, the course you did where we, we can go back and have a look at what happened to set up the need to have that experience.
So sometimes you go, Oh, wow, you've had this incredibly horrific luck in business. Everything you've touched, you've put all your heart and soul into it. And just, you know, you lose the money, someone rips [00:58:00] you off, all this stuff happens and we go back and we see that person in a past life and they were a business person that ripped people off.
And so then in this lifetime, you're putting all the effort in you. I'm, I'm, I've done all the courses. I've got the best Facebook ads, but it's just not happening for you. And sometimes, not always, sometimes it is some of these other things that have happening karmically that it doesn't matter how hard you try, unless you, unless you acknowledge that in some way and bring it to completion, there's, you're just not going to, it's just not going to happen in this lifetime anyway, until you do the healing work and acknowledge what you, what you did, you know, in some way, shape or form.
and we've obviously got things we teach people to do, to do that. yeah, to give an example, I remember there was this one lady who, you know, she had some people in her, organization, keep the technology they'd built for her to ransom. And they said, well, you want us to pay a million dollars and then we'll give you the technology.
And we went back and explored in a past life. They were all together [00:59:00] and they were all on horseback and they, they robbed a horse and cart and took the gold from the people that were inside the horse and cop. And
Speaker 4: then
James Pask: their security came over, their cavalry came over the, over the mountainside and the four of them said, Hey, let's split up so they don't catch us.
And my client had the bag of gold and she said, I'll meet you guys at the rendezvous point. And of course she never did because they got separated. She never went to the rendezvous, so I'll just get the gold for myself. And in this lifetime, the same three men that she never met at the rendezvous and didn't share the gold, are holding the to ransom the product and they want a million dollars more than what they originally said it would cost.
Speaker 6: That's crazy. Absolutely.
James Pask: And this happens all the time. there's no accident of who and what you experience in our reality. Everything's just, you know, rolling out, seeking completion and understanding and resolution. and, and there's ways you can help facilitate that for people that helps them move past what's blocking them and helps them [01:00:00] create what they want.
Even just aside from what they want, just inner peace, tranquility,
Speaker 5: a quiet
James Pask: mind, feeling connected, you know, feeling like they belong, because there's all these things that are happening that are based on, you know, things from the past or, or programming that's been put in here, that's just simply not true.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: so many people unworthy, they feel unworthy of things and we take them back and we go and have a look. And I remember one lady who was, so intelligent and we went back to have a look at why she had these terrible self worth issues and it was her mum one day didn't give her dessert when she was a kid and, but she did give dessert to her brother
Speaker 4: and,
James Pask: and how did it make you feel?
Mum doesn't love me. I'm not good enough. I'm not worthy of mum's love. And then we say, Oh, so then we speak to the mother and we say, Oh, you know, mother, what was happening? Why didn't you give you, well, she didn't finish her, her dinner. and that was the deal. [01:01:00] Unless you finish all your green vegetables, you're not getting dessert.
So, so from our perspective as adults, that's good parenting, right?
Speaker 3: Not going
James Pask: to get your ice cream until you've eaten your broccoli.
Speaker 3: From the
James Pask: little child's perspective, I didn't get dessert. My brother did, I'm not good enough. She loves my brother more. I'm unworthy of mom's love. They're the kind of decisions they're making and it's just not true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but,
James Pask: but it felt really true at the time. And so, and so we find that, you know, this understanding of. How the mind creates thoughts and feelings and, decisions and beliefs, that our infinite energy is shining out through our mental emotional bodies, and it's creating that for us in our life. exactly what we asked for at that given moment.
From a moment where we'd forgotten who what we were, we were coming from the limited programmable mind and not our infinite higher selves. And so, so that's part of the getting to know yourself. First you've got to get to know yourself. The good, bad, the ugly, all the programming that's limiting you [01:02:00] and, and then, and then that journey to knowing yourself as source energy is just part of, it's actually a process of unbecoming and getting rid of all the stuff that's been put onto you by either your own internal thinking or the thinking of others or the deliberate programming of others so that you don't remember who and what you are.
Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
James Pask: Yeah.
Hollie Wild: And I love with, the way that you explain karma as it's a completion. So it's not necessarily because a lot of people think of karma as it's punishment, but it's, it's like bringing something to completion. And often if you come from a religious background where you may have thought that, you know, there's this one life and then you either go to heaven or hell.
So it's either you there's good, or you get punished for the rest of eternity. You can bring that way of thinking into karma, whereas it's. It's just bringing something to completion is my understanding of the way that you just explained it. Then correct me if I'm wrong. Absolutely.
James Pask: Yeah. It's, it's, it's like you said before, it's taking responsibility, which means responding with ability
Speaker 3: and
James Pask: we are the powerful [01:03:00] creators of our reality.
You know, there are no victims, there's only creators and you know, we create our heaven or our hell. It's just moments of time that where, where you thought, thoughts, you felt feelings, feelings, you gave all this. moment a certain meaning, whether that's this life, past life, parallel, in between lifetimes, your ancestors may have done it, and once that energy is created, because if we think about how reality works, it's pure waveform potential energy, and we observe something, and we have thoughts and feelings and energy around it, and we create this little bubble of reality, we collapse it into, you know, the particle, first form of matter, and then if it's, if it's, The same energy, thoughts, feeling, beliefs, if it keeps happening over and over again, it grows and grows and grows and forms a pattern in our life.
It forms a repeating pattern. It forms a reality. Sometimes we think about it so much. We create something into physical matter, a pen, everything. There was an idea once. It was just invisible. Now it's a thing. and this [01:04:00] is how reality works. There's a, there's a way things go from thought to thing, and so, and, and people are constantly doing that.
People are constantly creating their own heaven or their own hell through moments of time where energy's been created by them. All them in a past life or their ancestor. And then all these universal laws start to kick in the law of attraction, the, the meaning making laws, and then things of similar resonance will be drawn to them.
And they wonder why they keep manifesting the same kind of people in relationships. They wonder why, no matter what they do, they keep having this happen, all that happened in their life. and we can unpack that energetically and metaphysically and recreate. their reality, the way they want it to be connected to their higher selves, you know, and, and these are the things we teach people how to do, for themselves and for others, if they choose to.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Hollie Wild: I love that. I really love that concept. And I guess you could say, cause like, obviously from, you know, a religious background, there's the concept of sin, whereas [01:05:00] maybe sin could be viewed as it's, it's any act or action of. And you will probably explain it way better than me, but stepping away from not taking responsibility for ourselves, or it's, you know, any act that is, for instance, where we're acting out of forgetting that we are all one.
So, you know, that type of thing, I'd love to get your view on what is sin, if you even have a view on that.
James Pask: Yeah, well, the sin is just, it's just a description, that human beings have created describing a form of action, or thought, and it doesn't matter if it's a, a good thing, a bad thing, or everything in between, all, all, All of our thoughts, our feelings, and our actions, our behaviors, our decisions, our dreams, they all are an energy and that energy, like everything else in the universe, it will vibrate and things of similar resonance will be drawn to it.
And when things of similar resonance are drawn to it, it grows and builds. [01:06:00] And so, That's how, if left unchecked, if those things are fearful and built from traumatic moments, moments of hate, they will draw to them more and more things to feel hateful and vengeful and fearful about. And that energy will, will be fed and continue to attract the same thing, whether they're doing it to others or whether it's happening to them.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Because it's
James Pask: still the same resonance. And so then we see that as being wrong or bad or sinful. And then we see other people that may have had different experiences and different moments where they've thought thoughts, felt feelings, created different meaning making, whether it's them, their ancestors, other lifetimes, parallel future lives, doesn't matter.
And those things will also have an attractive field and things of similar resonance will be drawn to them. Some of us have just cleaned up a lot of our stuff from the past. And so therefore what we're attracting is pretty good.
Speaker 5: Some
James Pask: of, some of us still have a lot of tidying up to do in [01:07:00] certain areas.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
James Pask: So, and so there's, there's ways that, and then this stuff used to be taught, you know, indigenous cultures and different times throughout history, people were taught about how to be self aware and how to, you know, clean their, clean their, you know, clean their, their energy and clean up for their past mistakes and issues and then, and then be able to create something different in their lives.
But it's been kept from us in so many ways. Like we're not taught when we go to school, we're not taught about the invisible world of reality. Everything comes in. comes from the invisible world of reality before it manifests into the physical world of reality. And we're not taught that at school. We're taught about the physical world of reality.
Even when you go and learn from a church, we're not taught about the way of the spirit. We're not taught a lot about how reality works and how creation works. Like you said, I went to ask about it and I was told it was wrong and bad, as did you when you went to inquire about it. And so you started looking elsewhere.
and so. There's, there's other ways of looking at [01:08:00] our world that can help in our evolution, as being through time and space. and that's part of it's remembering who and what we are, and understanding the connection between the mind and the higher self energy. You know, because we're not taught how to, how to, how, most of us, we have this mind here that's out of control, and it's so programmed.
From when we're little, our parents, the way we looked and saw how they did relationships, Oh, mom and dad are fighting. Oh, that's what it's like to be a man and a woman. That's what it's like to be married. That's what love is. That's how you do money. That's how you treat people. You know, that's all being programmed in.
We go to school, we're being programmed. We'll go to our religion and we're being told, this is what, this is how creation works, this is who you are, this is who you're not, this is what you can and can't do, these are the laws, these are the rules. and I remember a friend of mine once said to me, he goes, I'm very skeptical about what you do and what you say.
And I'm like, no, you're not. You're not a skeptic. And he goes, what do you mean? Yes, I am. I said, no, you're not a skeptic, mate. You're the exact opposite of skeptic. [01:09:00] You are buying into everything you've ever been taught or told. I'm the skeptic. I'm looking at all the current teaching of what we're being told reality is.
And I'm going, hang on a minute. Is there some, is there another way of thinking about this? Is there other ways of thinking and being as a human being? And when you look around the fringe, it's called fringe, you know, that's where a lot of the magic and the truth lie.
about how our reality works. And so I think it's good being skeptical, questioning things, even questioning what we're talking about, what we're saying, anyone listen to this.
Look into it. Cause that's, that's how I discovered my journey is I started saying, Oh, what else is out there? and that's where I came back to, you know, my big thing is going inside here and learning about. About this. it's the same thing that's in all of this. So it's worth exploring because it's everywhere and everything.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. And I have the utmost respect for someone that says question, even me or question, even what I'm saying, I actually tend to trust [01:10:00] that individual more because I'm like, yeah, they're, they're not saying that they have all the absolute answers. Like. Question things for yourselves. And I actually have, yeah, the utmost respect for someone that can actually say that because to me, you, yeah, you're not trying to force your beliefs or your views onto anybody because you can see that everyone's journey is their own.
And I really love that. I've just realized the time. Apologies. We could talk all day. Do you have time for one more question? Sure. Yeah, go for it. I just popped into my head as you were talking. Cause before about darker energies, I'd love to know your thoughts because like some would say darker energies are like, you know, the devil demons we touched on that.
Do you think that all of that, whether it's darker energies lighter energies us everything in existence stems from the one creator like so even the darker energies or do you think that they're A separate creation to what you would call God or consciousness or whatever label you want to [01:11:00] use. So do you see it as like, literally there's one creator for all of it?
James Pask: Yeah, that's a really interesting question. From my understanding of the universe and how it works, I don't think it can be separate. I think it is all just one energy expressing itself in different ways. But when that one energy split off to go and experience itself as all different things, some, some energies went and went.
I'm going to explore what it's like to be really bad and horrible and, and painful. but just like us, you know, how we incarnate and we forget who, what we are. So, you know, that's either just the way it is. It may be intentional. I don't know. But when they initially went off and they started saying, I'm going to be, I'm going to express itself as, you know, being controlling and restricting and, you know, what we call evil.
But maybe when they kept incarnating, they, they forgot that they actually were from originally from the light. Just like we don't remember our previous lifetimes. A lot of us, you know, and so all of a sudden it's got, it's just sort of gotten out of control a little bit. and there's lots of [01:12:00] different theories about that.
You know, one theory I've heard is that, you know, some, some of those people in the oneness who were all just being oneness when we're all talking about it. As parts of the oneness, some of some didn't want to go on the journey and they stayed behind and, and they've seen about all the different experiences and learning that those of us that decided to be, I'll be a star, I'll be an earth, I'll be a planet, and I'll be in the one incarnation for millions of years.
So you guys can all come and have millions of little incarnations on me while I have one, one big one.
Speaker 4: And then,
James Pask: And then other people said, I'm going to be this kind of universe. I'm going to be universe of lightness. I'm going to be dark. I'm going to be universes of aquatic beings. I'm going to be universal.
We explore everything being, you know, hive mind realities.
you know, if energy is everywhere, surely there's expressions of all different things. being expressed everywhere.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
James Pask: You know, it makes sense to me. And, and so in that case, I think it's all [01:13:00] from one formless divine energy that is expressing itself in all these different forms.
And I just think like we've forgotten whom, what we are as creator beings, perhaps these beings have forgotten who they are as creator beings from the one energy as well. Yeah. And, and maybe it's here. And happening just as it needs to, so that we can have the experience we need to have here
Speaker 5: at this time.
James Pask: Maybe in the last epoch of time, we were them and they were us. And by them being their, what we call dark selves, we get to have this incredible journey of remembering who we are, stepping into our inner power and divinity. Thanks guys.
Hollie Wild: Right. That's literally how I think too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
James Pask: So. So it's all good, I guess, is, you know, it's, which is really nice to actually hear, especially when you may be hearing that there are darker energies out there, and what do you do about them?
Maybe it's nice to hear that it's all good, it's all happening for a reason,
and the journey within is, to me, the, [01:14:00] the, the less risky, because we just don't know about what's out there, and this is where it's at inside here. So that exploration into yourself, and to yourself as source energy is a, is a beautiful thing, where.
You know, there's no risk, you know, the agenda for this part in you is for your evolution and your journey, the agenda of anything that's out there, just like other people, right? We've all met lots of humans and lots of humans can be really nice when you first meet them, but all of a sudden down the track, they can do all sorts of things to let you down.
So you can always trust what's in here and what's in here is, you know, being reflected out there in all of us. So, it's a, it's a beautiful thing.
Hollie Wild: Yeah, I love that. I really love that. And I see it in a very similar, if not exactly the same way of, it's like, you know, maybe we're all these fractals of original source or God and it's, it's literally the creator experiencing itself through the different polarities of everything.
So, You know, [01:15:00] there's light, there's dark, but how do you know what light is without the darkness? How do you know what darkness is if you've never experienced light? And so in the way that I see it as like, you know, it's the creator experiencing itself through all of us, excuse me, my voice is going through all of us.
And yeah, you wouldn't know what that light is with having not experienced dark. It's like when you have a really good day, you don't know, you wouldn't know what that feels like if you haven't also had bad days. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. You have continued to lead us all back within ourselves. And I would love for you to share with us how people can work with you because I can't recommend you and Debbie enough and your courses, just literally everything you put out, having experienced it for myself, I highly, highly recommend anyone intrigued by your work to absolutely work with the both of you.
So yeah, how can people work with you? What, what have you got on offer or where would you like to lead people to check you out?
James Pask: Well, first of all, thank you so much for saying that. That's so lovely, coming from you. [01:16:00] I really appreciate that, that lovely comment. well, probably the best thing is to, you know, have a look at our website.
We do have lots of different offerings on there, for self healing. If you're just more interested in discovering yourself, we've got lots of do it yourself courses. Living Spirit course is a, is a great course for doing that. there's courses about confidence and all different things. but if you're wanting to learn, about how to heal both yourself and others, we've got the, the Energy Medicine.
Practitioner course that you, that you did as well. and we do, we also do one called, spiritual coaching. there's learning how to do schematic meditation and be a meditation teacher. There's all different things. The way we've designed each of those courses is. in that whole thing about, you know, getting to know yourself first, and that journey to knowing yourself as source.
So all our courses, even though they're, you get a certificate, you become a qualified practitioner, people, a lot of people just do it for themselves to get the healing and to learn about themselves and to learn how to heal themselves. But you then also, the great thing is if you want to, you can then, We [01:17:00] also teach you how to then do that on others because we're really passionate about people having this information and wisdom in, you know, communities, in, you know, certain work environments, families, so that, people can assist and help people, you know, learn about the world, the universe, its laws, how to come back to themselves and, and go through spiritual awakening in a, in a safe way that's in alignment with the law of evolution.
So, yeah, all that information is on our website. And, you know, happy to chat to anyone if they want to talk about those sorts of things. It's obviously easy, you can tell by, we've covered a lot of topics here and gone all over the place, but very passionate about it. So, as I know you are, we spoke about that off air before we came online.
So, yeah, just reach out if you've got questions or, you know, sure there's some way we can help you in some way.
Hollie Wild: And I'll add links into the show notes for everyone listening, so you can check out everything in the show notes as well. and yeah, the details will be available there. I want to say thank you so much.
I went over time. Thank you so, so much. I could have talked to you for hours on end about all of [01:18:00] this. Me too.
James Pask: I know. I felt like we were just getting started. I know. And then I didn't realize the time.
Hollie Wild: I'll have to get you back on Monday in the future, but for a longer time frame, if you ever have it, and we can go deep, anything you want, I honestly could just talk to you all day.
It's it's amazing. Thank you so much for that. James. You're
James Pask: very welcome. Love to do that. Yeah.
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