Ep. 13 | AI, Trump, Aliens & Andrew Tate: Deep Dive with The Real Em Gee
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13. Em Gee
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Speaker: Here we are. Here we are. We have a legend, a legend in the house today. We have none other than MG. Thank you so much for being here today to chat with me. I'm so pumped for this conversation, you have no idea.
Speaker 2: Um, I'm really excited too, cause it's probably going to go a little bit all over the place, but that's how I roll.
And yeah, I've been loving, loving, loving listening to your podcast. As soon as I saw the title, I was like, that is me. And yeah, here we
Speaker: are. Here we are. Yeah. I'm pumped. I just knew straight away that I would have you on this podcast at some point, just because [00:01:00] you, you do stand out to me as someone that isn't afraid to speak.
Whatever you believe, even if that does ruffle feathers, but you do it in such a good way though. Like you're not like, you're not one of those wankers. It's just trying to stir the pot for the sake of stirring the pot. Like you will, you will speak what's on your heart. You'll speak your truth. Even if, even if you're actually outing yourself, I've noticed like, even if it can bring backlash to you or it can bring victory all your way, you'll still do it.
And I just have the highest level of respect for people like you. So I was like, I have to get on the podcast. Seriously.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's a blessing and a curse. I definitely feel very aligned with my views and the way that I show up, but it also can create issues in life. And look, it's part of, it's all part of my life process and doing what I do in a way that feels good for me.
Speaker: Yeah. And you, you have actually made a point there as well, because you also are a business woman. So, It can come with, with, I guess, backlash whenever we speak, whatever's on our heart or [00:02:00] on our mind or our truth, our beliefs, our worldviews, especially when you have a business, because that can, you know, by voicing things, you also know that that can come with, um, yeah, it can affect your business as well.
So even next level of respect for you as well for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do find though that over time I just repel the people that aren't going to be open minded, which I'm so happy about, and attract the people that even if they don't agree with me, they're open minded enough to respect that other people have different perceptions.
And I feel like it's the same with, you know, with anyone that I speak to, but I know some of your episodes, I haven't agreed with everything that you've said, but it's not like I'm going to go, well, I'm not listening to that ever again, because she's You know, because I can see that there, there's so much more than black and white, there's so much gray area.
And I think over time, I've gotten a lot better at communicating, particularly on my personal brand. Some of my thoughts in a way that Make it [00:03:00] really clear that it's okay. If you don't think the same way as me, these are my thoughts. These are the questions that I'm asking. If you can answer these questions and get a completely different answer.
Great. Good for you. It's not how I think, but if you want to start questioning them, maybe these are some questions you could ask if you want to, but I'm not going to like literally hold a gun to your head or your ear for that sake and, and make you think about it.
Speaker: Oh, you said that so well. I, yeah, I agree fully.
And that's the whole purpose of this podcast is simply to. To raise questions, even if they're really uncomfortable questions, to dig deeper than maybe what's on surface and when we go underneath what's surface level on a lot of topics, we may not agree on everything and we might come to complete different conclusions.
But at least we've thought for ourselves and I think that's, yeah, so key. I have a couple of questions. I actually just want to start with one that is not an official question. It's just me. I'm curious. Okay. M. Is [00:04:00] that short for Emily, for Emma, or is it just M? I've never asked
Speaker 2: you this. Yeah, it's a good question.
It's short for Emily. So, my, my real name, my real full name. Wait for it. It is Emily Rose Barbara Smith. And it's not a vibe for me. It's so not you when I think about it. Yeah. So a few years ago, I decided that because I wanted to build a personal brand, if I Googled Emily Smith, There was, I was never going to be found in that.
And so there, there was a whole process I went through to decide on MG and there's about five reasons behind it. Uh, I'm pretty sure I did report a podcast episode on all of those reasons because it's something I, I think I deeply think about a lot of things clearly. And so, you know, it had to have a purpose, not just, Oh, I like the sound of that.
Uh, but it has stuck. And now I have the issue that because sometimes I've got MG on something and [00:05:00] other times I have Emily Smith. And. Like if someone sends me something in the mail and they need me to sign for it and they've written MG, I'm like, I don't have an ID that says that. So I wonder whether I actually need to officially change my name.
Speaker: Got you. Yeah. I'm in the same sort of predicament actually, because Wilde is not my real surname, but I created that. But a lot of people think Holly Wilde is my name. Yeah, no, I can. Yeah. So I was like, should I officially change my name to Holly Wilde? Anyway, I'll give you my first and do it together. Yeah, let's do it together.
Have a little party. Um, all right. So my official first question is I actually want to know. So tell me about your journey to becoming the disruptor that you are in your industry, because you are a disruptor. You definitely go about things very differently to most.
Speaker 2: I think I've always been a disruptor. So it's not necessarily now in my industry, but I, I just always have been for as long as I can remember.
I was the kid that asked way too many questions at school, um, in high school, you know, I actually don't remember high school that [00:06:00] well, but I've got a couple of people that follow me from high school and recently, one of them. DM'd me and I said, can you tell me what I was like in high school? Because I don't remember, like, I feel I had a bit of trauma.
And so I feel like a lot of my life was just like shut off from my memory. And he was like, yeah, you were a bit rebellious. And I was like, yes, I haven't changed. It's always in you. Um, and so like, that's always just been a part of, of who I am. I had a t shirt when I was a teenager that said bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity, which was one of the slogans from the Vietnam war.
Um, and my Nana was mortified that I had a t shirt with the word fucking on it, you know, it was just big, bold, it was like graffiti writing. And then when I studied marketing, so I'm in marketing now, and I studied marketing out of high school. The only reason I did it was because my mum wanted me to do business, I wanted to do tourism, so I hated it.
I hated it the whole time I was doing it because I felt like I was forced to do it. I literally, [00:07:00] like, fumbled my way through going, I, like, this is so easy because it's literally just, like, talking fluff. That's what marketing seemed like to me at the time. I came out the other end and I was like, this is all just, this is all just manipulating people into buying shit they don't need.
I don't want to do this. So I didn't do marketing. I went teaching and then I went to the education department and holy shit. That's no, I was a teacher for seven years.
Speaker: Oh my God. I did not know that about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And. Like, I was the teacher that intentionally broke the rules with the students. I worked at a school where they banned cartwheels because someone hurt themselves.
Speaker 3: And I
Speaker 2: was like, right, everyone, this lunch, I'm on duty. We're going to do cartwheels around the Oval, all of us, because they can't stop us all. And then I'm the one that gets pulled into the principal's office. And, [00:08:00] you know, obviously I left the education. And Industry, but then moved back into marketing kind of happened naturally because I realized that marketing can be used for really positive purposes.
Marketing is a form of manipulation. Manipulation gets a bad rap, but really everything we do is manipulation.
Speaker 3: Everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm wearing a bit of makeup. I'm manipulating what my face looks like. I speak to you in a certain way because. I want you to think something about me. I, I share certain parts of myself and not other parts of myself because I want you to think certain things about me.
Everything is manipulation, but it can be for a positive or a negative purpose or somewhere in between. And so moved into marketing, but because I just have this, whether you call it a chip on my shoulder or this curious mind, or a combination of both, I. Wanted to crack open some of the old school marketing methods and, and the business coaching industry as well, because.[00:09:00]
I have a lot of people that come to me, they're, they're stuck. They're not earning any money in their business and they want to invest thousands into coaching. And I'm like, uh, that's not what you need to spend your money on. You need to spend your money on learning to trust yourself and then spending the money in the way that will actually help your business grow.
Like maybe investing into. Something long term as an asset that's going to help you build your business and coaching. I'm not saying it doesn't have a place like that shooting myself in the foot because I do it, but it's not for everyone and drives me wild in this industry. How so many marketers and business coaches sell to people in the early stages, these.
Five figure price tag coaching opportunities. And I'm putting those in inverted commas for anyone just listening. Um, and, and then they can't possibly deliver a result because then that person has no other money to invest in their business in any other way. They're coming from a place of scarcity and fear because they had no cash flow.
And they've just lumped this [00:10:00] whole heap of money into trusting someone outside of themselves. And. It drove me wild. So then come along AI and I'm like, everything's scalable. No one needs to spend that much money on coaching anymore. No one needs to be stuck anymore. It is leveling the playing field. And so, I mean, people might see me as a disruptor in this.
I'm more of like a, I feel like an elevator and empower of wanting people to be using this in a really positive way.
Speaker: Yeah, that's, that's amazing. And you've led me into AI. I'm bloody intrigued by AI. You would know way more than I do about it. What got your interest into the whole AI
Speaker 2: side of things? What got my interest there was simultaneously seeing the decline in business success everywhere midway through last year, probably early last year.
Um, at the same time as AI [00:11:00] going like this. And I'm thinking it could look from the surface that AI is part of creating the problem. It could look like that. But I did below the surface and I thought, what if the problems that we're facing are because we haven't caught up with the technology that's available for us?
At the grassroots end, like yes, all of the elite though, they've got a frigging AI team. They might've had one in the frigging nineties because a lot of people don't realize AI has actually existed since the seventies. Yeah. I did. But now we all have access to it. But most people are like, you're freaking out.
And guess what? That's what they want. They want us to be freaked out by it because they keep going further and further ahead and we keep getting further and further behind. And the speed of that change now is huge. Like it's huge. Skizzily huge.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. I, I like genuinely am very intrigued with AI and I can see [00:12:00] incredible potential.
Incredible opportunities with it. What, what are most of the pushbacks that you hear, like where people are freaked out about it? What actually is it that they're freaked out about?
Speaker 2: There's lots of things. And to be honest, everything they're freaked out about is valid. One of the things is privacy. That's a huge one.
And very valid because you're putting data into a system and where does that data go? What is that data being used for? 100 percent valid concern. Another concern is about what it's doing to our mind in terms of its capabilities. Because if more, more and more things are automated, we're not doing as many things like how many people know how to light a fire now?
Not many people because we, we don't need to do it anymore. So therefore like, is it limiting our ability and reducing our brain power? So that's another concern. Other concerns are around like it taking jobs away from people because it is already taking jobs away from people. I have already had a friend who's been fired and replaced with a customer service [00:13:00] robot.
So they're very legitimate concerns. The concerns though, are coming from a place of how the world used to be. Okay. versus what the world could be.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And we're in the messy middle, which is always such a fun place to be. It's kind of like when you're Packed your house into boxes and you're like, well, I know I'm going somewhere great and I've been somewhere awesome, but in between, it's like, fuck this shit.
So we are, we're in the messy middle of it. And it is important to have the conversations about, about data, about how it's impacting humans, about, you know, what it looks like in the future. Like there's no way I would ever say, Oh, don't be silly. Don't talk about that stuff like that. It is crucial that we have those conversations.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Can you explain to me what you do with it? Like as far as services, I'm like genuinely just intrigued. I'm such a sticky bait. Like how does it all work for you in your business? What
Speaker 2: I do is I look at what you do in a [00:14:00] business and determine what could be made easier with AI automations. And that is definitely chat GPT.
But a lot of people, what they think of chat GPT is not what it can actually do. Most people just go in and use a prompt and hope for the best. There's so much more. AI is essentially machine learning. And machines can learn so much. They can, they will be washing our dishes for us, like hand washing with their robotic arms in a decade's time.
They will be folding your knickers and going to your drawer and putting them away. They're learning, okay? And some people that will be excited by that and some people that'll be like, Don't fall my knickers you weird robot. Um, so what, that's not what I do in my business, but like, for example, I will create custom assistant bots essentially that are built on either chat GPT or another platform that have a knowledge base.
So the knowledge base might be your frequently asked [00:15:00] questions. If you have a lot of inquiries about things that then is connected to your email and anytime you get an email with an inquiry, it will generate an automatic response. You can choose whether it sends it or not. I never suggest anyone just get someone to reply automatically to email.
Uh, you have a human to look over it, check it and make sure that, you know, it's actually what you want to say. But most of the time it's pretty close if you train them right. And so I have seen myself at least 10 hours saved a week using AI. I have got a client recently who just messaged me. We do a time audit every couple of months, 13.
5 hours a week.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Like. If you add that up for me, I work on average 30 hours a week in or on my business. And so if I divide that up, it's 520 hours a year that I get back divide that by 30 hours, 17 weeks.
Speaker: Yeah, that's huge. [00:16:00] And
Speaker 2: that's like, that's four months, four months a year of time we get back. And the thing that I think is powerful about that, and also concerning, is, well the concerning part is that more men are using it than women, which means men are getting more time back than women.
And currently, as you know, in our, the way we set up in the world, women are working mothering. We're doing all the things, but we're, we're not getting the time back that we could be. And we can use it in parenting as well. By the way, it's not just business. Um, I have, I have used it to help me with chat to PT has all of the collective knowledge that exists.
Like all of the books. So you want to know an insight into Alex Hermosi's brain? Like you can do that because he's written so much. It's now on the internet. [00:17:00]
Speaker: Yeah. Wow. And you put
Speaker 2: it like that. Yeah. It's all out there. Alex Uomozzi is not a parent. So that wasn't a good example. Maggie Dent.
Speaker: I get what you're saying though.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, that's the concern, but the, the thing that I see as possible and other, not just myself, like high, high level experts have said is that We're looking down the barrel of 3. 5 day work weeks and 3. 5 day weekends. because we no longer need as much human power to do things. Like if you look back years and hundreds of years, everyone was working like to the bone or the slaves or, you know, the lower, the plebs were working to the bone.
Speaker 3: Um,
Speaker 2: and you know, nonstop seven days a week, 365 days a year. And then eventually technology has improved and you know, we only have to [00:18:00] work nine to five, which is a load of shit. Uh, but yeah, now. We could actually work less. And there's already the four day work week coming in in a lot of corporations. Uh, there's a lot that needs to change around this in terms of those people who, who don't have corporate jobs, you know, like there, there needs to be a base wage that everyone gets.
And then the work you do. is on top of that. That would be what it would look like, but can you imagine our politicians grasping that?
Speaker: No. I don't either. No, but yeah, that, see that side of it to have a better quality of life, a better work life balance for everyone. That's got to be a positive in itself.
Speaker 2: It can be, it can
Speaker: be,
Speaker 2: but we need to direct it that way.
Yeah. And so that's why I very much am pushing for more and more people to use it [00:19:00] because the more you use it, the every time you use AI, you're training it. Cause that's what it is. It's taking, it's taking data every time you use it. So if I get an output that, you know, say for example, I'm asking for quotes about marketing, for example, give me some 10 quotes about marketing.
And it usually will spit out 10 quotes by men. And I'll be like, can you give me some by women, you know, just to be like, okay, cool. Yep. Obviously there's lots of quotes for men, but can we also have some with, with women in it? Um, or if it gives a very, Because it has been trained on men, like, because they're the ones, 90 percent of them are, uh, uh, you know, in Silicon Valley, white old males creating this.
Speaker 3: Yeah,
Speaker 2: um, which is fine, except it then has their viewpoint, which is also fine if it's just them being affected, but it won't be. It'll be everyone that's affected, so everyone needs to have the input, otherwise it will, like, these, this machine learning is [00:20:00] effectively going to start changing how politicians do things, how Facebook meta, like, I believe Meta rules more than politicians, to be honest, uh, has more power.
So like, if, if those are the types of algorithms that are going to control what happens in the world. We need to make sure that there's an even, not necessarily an even amount of voices, but a plethora of different types of voices in there. Got
Speaker: you. So, okay. So if let's, for instance, use the example of more women using it, like in every day, is that thing gaining data from the women that are using it?
Is that what you're saying? Am I okay? Every time
Speaker 2: you use it, you're training it.
Speaker: So the more diverse groups of people are using it, the more diverse the information is going to be, the output is going to be. Yes. See, I don't know much about AI at all. I use it and I love it and it saves me a lot of time, but it's the basic knowledge of it is what I [00:21:00] have.
Speaker 2: Yes. And probably what, how you're using it would be very much the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker: Yeah, I bet.
Speaker 2: Like there's so much, even myself, like I'm learning a lot about what's possible and it just, it blows my mind what's possible.
Speaker: What do you predict? I mean, you've mentioned it could get to the point where you've got robot hands or whatever you said, folding clothing and stuff.
What, what is your prediction with where it could go? Yeah. That's a big question. One of my
Speaker 2: big predictions is around education. So obviously I'm an ex educator. And we all know, and I listened to your episode with Brie as well, that the education system is failing hugely, like it is bucked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is.
Do say
Speaker 2: it kindly. Yeah. And like, I don't, I don't think I'll be sending my kids to high school. I just don't actually see the point. I think we can find a better way to educate them. Yeah. But the, there [00:22:00] won't need to be schools in the future. Right now, schools are set up in a way that they were set up in the nineties.
They haven't, they haven't moved forward. And if we get to a point where we're only having to work three and a half days a week, And we have the space for lifestyle. Why would we send our kids to an institution that wouldn't even know how to fucking send a proper email? Like, honestly, I'm sick of the shit I get from the school that I'm like, Can you not segment to say that I don't have a year 6 child, so why the fuck am I receiving a year 6 notice?
Like, if you can't do that yet in 2024, in a huge industry, a huge organization, that is going to crumble very quickly because the rate of change that we've had in the last two years is equal to 50 years in the last century. So
Speaker 3: in
Speaker 2: four years, we're going to have a hundred years worth of change, technological change.
And the education department will still be like, isn't it [00:23:00] 1999?
Speaker: Yeah, back in the times, yeah,
Speaker 2: check the facts today and, and really, because, so the way I see it for my kids is they will be able to do online learning for maths and English, and then there's going to be hubs where they can go to, to have like intense workshops around science and fashion, which my eldest daughter is, you know, really interested in and, you know, those kinds of hands on workshops, there's massive homeschool communities now that have, you know, Their own athletics carnivals, their own school balls.
Like it is so possible to do that. And with the flexible working arrangements that will and are becoming more available to us. It's the one thing we can thank COVID for.
Like forced people to, you know, get, you know, flexible working arrangements, but you know, why would we send our kids to an institution like that? If we Don't need to. And if [00:24:00] they're going to be better off, not going, imagine that kids being better off, not going to school.
Speaker: That actually genuinely gives me a lot of hope.
Cause I, this is the thing I haven't thought of all of these avenues with AI. And I often think how the crap can the education system be changed. And I don't have answers. I have no clue. I'm not even an ex teacher or anything, but hearing it from you like that, that's. That's bloody amazing.
Speaker 2: Teachers should be using AI at this point because they would save 10 hours a week.
But the problem is that they have no time to learn how to use AI. They're so under the pump, but like even just assessment. So assessments can now be completely assessed by AI. You, it doesn't even matter if it's just a maths sum, like AI can read your answer and give you a grade. And it doesn't matter if it's shit handwriting, AI can read that.
It can do all of this already. So you think like what's coming, it's going to get better. So schools should be doing that, but they're [00:25:00] not. And that's why I'm like, well, if you're not going to do it, then you're going to like, just get chucked in a bin. Pretty soon. And I don't know if it'll happen when our kids are at school because you've got one at school.
Speaker: No, she's not in school age yet. No.
Speaker 2: Okay. Maybe, maybe. I mean, it's all happening very quickly. Even more options are coming up in New York. There is a hybrid schooling model now, which is, uh, like half 50 percent of the time the kids go to school and they do those things like the science things where you need to be in the lab and, you know, In groups, that kind of thing versus things that they can do at home, which are the online lessons that can be automatically assessed that can give really specific student outcomes, because that's one of the hardest things as a teacher, you've got 32 kids in the class, and they all have different needs, but you're one person.
So with AI, you can literally be 32 people at once.
Speaker: Yeah, that's incredible. Absolutely [00:26:00] incredible. Have you thought about the political side of things, how AI can affect? That. Oh, tell me. I
Speaker 2: haven't. Do you know what? It's interesting because it's not something that I've thought about too deeply. I see how it can impact it, but mostly from a sense of the media.
So I don't believe that politics really Lead the world anymore. I don't believe that our politicians actually have that much say unless they control the media. It's the media that controls the politicians that then controls us because the media are the ones that tell us what we should be thinking today.
That's what we look at when we very first get up in the morning. We're either on our looking at our TV or we're looking at our phone and it's the media. So if the politicians own the media, then they have power. But if they don't, they are at the whim of. Zuckerberg or, you know, whoever owns all of the news channels.
I [00:27:00] know there's a particular family in Australia and I can't think of their name off the top of my mind, but yeah, I've just gone blank too. Yeah. So it's essentially, I can see how it will impact things. It could go either way, but there's also so many incredibly powerful, intelligent people creating media.
That's not controlled by Zuckerberg or by like all those other ones. And therefore we are able to have a lot of different conversations just like we did during Covid. You know, like it, it unfortunately, it cre seems to create a lot of divide, but we have a lot more freedom to speak than what we ever did before in a way that is very global.
Speaker: Yeah. And, and you're right there. 'cause we can also reach each other, you know, across the earth and have discussions that obviously once upon a time we could never have even had.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, absolutely. [00:28:00] Which is awesome. It's incredible the conversations we can have, but it's also a little bit scary when you think about like, for example, what's happening in Gaza, in Israel right now.
And this kind of stuff has happened before, maybe not to this extent. But because we have access to media. We are literally seeing some of the most horrific things and it's like we're living it even though we're not there. And so this globalization of media kind of creates world trauma in a sense. And I'm not saying that it's bad that we know about it because awareness is crucial for change except nothing's fucking happened.
Like it's still happening.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And But yet the, the downside of that is this global unrest, whereas most of in the past, it was localized. And then you'd kind of have your break from [00:29:00] it. And then you, you know, then there'd be trauma and then you'd have a break. And then they, whereas now it's just like always trauma, always, always, always, because we need to be kept in that fear state.
Speaker: 100%. It's literally called collective trauma because that's what it's, yeah, it's just this constant bombardment of messaging that, like you said, it used to be local. Like for instance, back in the day, if people would watch the six o'clock news, it would mainly be even local news. It wasn't necessarily all the terrible things around the world.
And now it's just nonstop, um, which you're right in, on one hand, it is good to be informed and to educate ourselves and to ask questions and all of that, but it is constant constant of the highest level of Um, pretty terrifying stuff, to be honest. That leads me even into. This is what I loved. When I asked you to come on, I said, what would you like to talk about?
Is there anything off limits? And you were like, you'd talk about pretty much anything. One of the things that I thought would be cool to discuss was, because it leads me into it, just about the [00:30:00] media and politicians and everything is good old Trumpy. With whole, like, this is obviously just happened a week ago with him, with the attempted assassination.
I would just love to know, just because you are such a deep thinker and such a questioner, what are your thoughts on all of that? And I know that's a big question, but what are your thoughts on it all? Or even just on Trump in general?
Speaker 2: I've thought about it. I've thought about it a lot. I've thought about Trump a lot over the years, to be honest, because I feel like he is a very unique individual that is very, misrepresented by the media in this, but in the way that he wants to be misrepresented.
I actually think the way that he shows up and the way that people view him is exactly how he wants to be represented because The right kind of Americans will be very happy to, to vote for the, what he represents, but he's actually so much smarter [00:31:00] than what anyone gives him credit for. Like, when he was very first in the running for president, I remember thinking, oh, there's no fucking way, like, he won't get in.
And then he got in. And I was like, huh, how did that happen? Now, there's so many ways it could have happened. But say he was actually voted in. And when I say there's so many ways it could have happened, it could have been rigged. Because I absolutely think that there will have been elections that are rigged.
Media can have a lot to play with that as well. But why would that happen? And when you think about all of the things that he really wants to fight for, it is so ingrained in people's minds. Um, current American culture, what he fights for. And so of course there is so many people in America that would vote for him.
Now I don't know whether he's the right or wrong candidate, but I do know he is an excellent marketer. Before he was in politics, [00:32:00] he was a billionaire. He has no one that builds billion dollar businesses is stupid. No one. He is so smart. I think people forget that that's what he did. Like they only see him as the politician now.
I'm like, no, no, no. Like he grew billion dollar businesses. Some of them then crashed to the ground and he then built them right up to billion dollar businesses again from nothing from dust. He's not stupid. And when this attempted quote unquote assassination, cause I don't actually think it was an attempted assassination.
I think it was a great show. When
this happened, as soon as I saw it. I was like, whoa, that's convenient, isn't it? I'm like, okay, so if you're an assassin, you don't fucking miss when you have a clear shot like that. If you're not an assassin, how the hell do you get through [00:33:00] the security at a place like that? Because security in America is fucking nuts
Speaker 3: for
Speaker 2: anything, especially at one of Trump's rallies.
How does only, this is going to sound bad, but how does only one person get killed? Now, I know that sounds terrible, but it's the best case scenario for Trump, right? It is the best case scenario. And how do you sit something up? That is the best case scenario like that without it being a fucking setup. So the best case scenario is it hits them on the head.
But not in a place that could possibly kill him or harm him in any long term way, but it puts blood on his face so that it looks real bad, right? Right at the time that the American flag is like, in the background, only one person gets killed. Because that makes it look legit. Well, someone innocent was killed.
And of course it was a man shielding his wife and his daughter, which is horrible and it just gave me goosebumps to [00:34:00] think about it. And then people are like, oh yeah, but what about the, the so called assassin? Why would he want, he was obviously going to get killed. Absolutely Trump supporters would die for Trump.
One hundred percent. He is their god. They would die for him. That man that was killed, shielding his wife, His family, he would have died for Trump. And it's like terrorism. And I'm not saying that it is terrorism, but it's like terrorism. Those people happy to die for their cause because they believe that what they're doing is going to give them the ult that's the ultimate sacrifice.
Like they will go to the golden gates or the pur whatever, whatever they believe is beyond that. And So anyone that was like, no, there's no way it could be a, like, staged is like, because, oh, there's someone died and the assassin died and I'm like, yeah, but that's exactly the setup that they would create to make it [00:35:00] the attempt that puts them into power.
Because now, guess what? Biden has stepped down.
Speaker: I love, I seriously love going deep into the way people think and what, like your, like your outlook and what brought you to this way of thinking. And I just want to play devil's advocate just for a second, because I'm sure you've, you've had these questions yourself. So in that line of thinking, do you reckon that Trump, so Trump orchestrated it, or, you know, it was a part of it, obviously for his own benefit.
And if that's the case, are you saying that he would have put his life in the line, obviously for the, like trusting that that bullet is not going to go in the wrong way and obviously actually, actually kill him
Speaker 2: I think that is absolutely possible. I think he would put his life on the line because I do think he is a very deep believer in what he's doing.
aiming towards. I don't think he's just doing it for ego. I think he does have a [00:36:00] bigger purpose in mind. Whether that's the right purpose or the wrong purpose, I don't know. But I, like, it's the same as Elon Musk. He's a complete fruit loop. Um, he does weird things, but he truly has a big, huge, in his mind, very positive vision.
Same as Trump. And so they will, you know, I think he would trust that if he was doing that, that they're not going to fuck up that attempt. Like they're going to get the air and it's going to be perfect. Or he's given his team free creative reign of how can we totally like make this work. the best possible campaign that goes down in history and then they haven't told him because then he's not going to flinch.
I don't know. So those are the possibilities. And then of course, look, there's no black and white. There's always gray. Maybe it was actually an assassination attempt. Let's say it is. Let's play with that for a second. I feel like it's way too convenient, but let's say it actually was. The way that this is [00:37:00] now used as leverage For marketing.
Like he is the American hero within 30 seconds. He's standing up fist pumping in the air and everyone in the crowd is screaming USA, USA, USA. Did you say that?
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The ability to go, I just got shot in the head and then, you know, marketing is his first thought and that is what politics is. It is all marketing.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love, I love going down different rabbit holes. I think, um, I mean, I have no bloody clue, just like you said, we don't know. We're speculating. Yes. I went down the side of potentially that it was someone trying to take him out. And that their goal was to actually take him out, but that it was a miss [00:38:00] because, I mean, that was pretty bloody close.
It's, I guess it's hard for me to wrap my head around someone being that foolish to trust a sniper to actually, even though snipers are incredible, but to not miss your bloody actual temple head, whatever, and to just get the ear. It is hard for me to wrap my head around it. But in the same time, I understand it is a stage.
It is like. Who bloody knows? At the end of the day, who knows?
Speaker 2: You know what, there'll only be very few people in this world that actually know what happened on that day. And if it was a true person trying to assassinate Trump, that person is now dead.
Speaker 3: Like,
Speaker 2: and even if we did get the story, anyone's story is still based on their perception.
So no, no story is actually truth. Like it is just a story. It's just kind of what we tell ourselves. And it's kind of how I look at these events and people DMing me going, Oh my gosh, it's scary. And I'm like, laughing, like, should I be laughing [00:39:00] about this? Because I just think it's so ridiculous that you can't even make this shit up sometimes.
And it happens. And you're like, And I mean, I also believe in aliens and I think about aliens looking down at us going, these people are fucking hilarious. They've got the popcorn. They're like, look at what they're doing today, Martin. You know, I
Speaker: had a conversation with my brother the other day. We're laughing saying, is life a dream?
And we wake up from this dream and we're actually aliens that have just had the dream that we're humans. Like, I often think the most random shit like that of like, what is life? What is behind all this? Do aliens rule the bloody world? Like, what the crap?
Speaker 2: And what even is the world? Like, are aliens just something we have created in our mind to think about what's possible beyond our Earth?
Because we And I'll put this in inverted commas again, know that there's a universe. Is there even a universe? [00:40:00] Is that just a concept we've created for some reason to like back in the dream time or back? Like we created these concepts because we didn't know things that we think we now know, but we, we create these concepts to make sense of our experience.
But what is our experience? And I, I see glitches in the matrix all the time. And I'm like, Hmm, I could ignore that. Or I could go, that is not possible without something that I don't understand. So there is so much that I don't understand. And I'm just very open to like, we could just be literally a, Perception of some extraterrestrial species that's having a great time laughing at us all and, you know, puppeteering and seeing what happens like cause and effect.
Oh, if I shoot Trump in the ear, what happens to everyone else?
Speaker: I know the listeners are going to love this because I have conversations [00:41:00] with, with a lot of people that listen to this podcast and we're all just such deep thinkers and often we don't have answers, but we're curious little bastards. And we'll, we'll question anything and just want to try to.
Hypothesize with something. I'd love to know, what do you, this is just completely off the cuff. What, what do you think is the purpose to life? Like, do you think there's an afterlife? This is purely me just being a questioner right now. I want to know.
Speaker 2: No, the answer to that is, I don't know. And I don't think we ever find out.
I actually think that searching for the purpose of life It's a bit of a, it's a fun exercise. It's a curious exercise, but I don't think you ever really find out. I mean, fuck, I'll come back and tell you if I figure it out. I think really for me, it's more about what is my purpose in this moment? Whereas when we think about the purpose of life, we're no longer here right now.
Whereas when we think about what's his purpose at [00:42:00] this moment brings us back to now and whether or not what I'm experiencing right now is even real, uh, I'm still experiencing it and only I can experience it in the
Speaker: way that I am. Yeah. That's actually really powerful. You're so right. Because it brings you back into the moment, into the present moment and the experience right now that we're having right now.
Speaker 2: And even if. You know, we are in some kind of made up dream or projection of something or some parallel universe that doesn't even really exist. At the end of the day, we are still experiencing this as we are, and we can make each day what we want to make out of it. And at the end of it, if it didn't matter, it didn't matter.
If it did, cool. Like we're not going to know really consciously. Maybe, I don't know, maybe we will. I'll see you on the other side, Holly, and we'll talk about it.
Speaker: We'll have a cup of tea and chat about it. Um, this is another completely random one. I actually [00:43:00] wrote this in my phone to ask you do one of your thoughts on the notorious Andrew Tate left field question here.
Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. I have lots of thoughts. It's interesting because I'm not decided. Um, so as you know, like I have called myself a feminist and I listened to your podcast on feminism and I was like, fuck, I don't think I'm a feminist anymore. Because. There is so much about what you said that I was like, these are the problems I'm experiencing and they are all because of feminism.
Uh, in saying that again, nothing is black and white. There's so much gray area and it's the same with feminism. Right. But as the staunch feminist that I have been, Andrew Tate was like, The devil, right? Yeah. Because, I mean, look, most feminists, feminists would spread snippets of what [00:44:00] he shares that is very misogynistic.
And, you know, there is a difference between misogyny and patriarchy, right? So misogyny is more about that. That actually. hating women and looking down on women. Whereas the patriarchy is more of the, it's, it's a male leader. It's the world is led by males. And, you know, and now I understand like, how is that a problem?
How are we making that a problem? So Andrew Tate definitely spits a lot of misogynistic shit. And I do not like that. side of them, uh, because we are not objects. We are, you know, multi dimensional, beautiful humans as females, males, the two genders that exist. Um,
but, There's also elements to what he does that I can understand now after having listened to your podcast and then going down a bit of a rabbit hole, as I do, around how [00:45:00] young men have been impacted by the wave of feminism. And I can see it because I went to the gym recently at like a, I'm not going to the same gym, but there was a guy that was like an Andrew Tate lover, obsessed.
And I was really triggered by him. And I realized that it was because he was a young man and I'm thinking, oh shit, like my girls are going to grow up and they're gonna have to deal with these misogynistic pricks. Like, what are we going to do? Am I like, how am I, how am I going to deal with these boyfriends that come in the door?
But really it's because so young, so many young men are so lost in society now, not knowing where they stand because women are stepping up like, I don't need, I don't need a man. Like there's a whole song. I don't need a man. And so now they're like, well, what's my purpose? And the suicide rate of men like in their forties is so high because what purpose do they then have if they're not providing for a family?
Yeah. Because women are like, I don't need a man. [00:46:00] And I see that now. And I'm like, well, I can kind of understand some of where he's coming from. Not all of what he, where he's coming from and the way he presents it. The other thing is like having multiple partners. He, uh, didn't he become, um, he changed his religion so that he could have more than one wife, I think.
Yeah, I think he's Muslim now. I think, I believe so. Yeah. And I mean that also in the past to me, I was like, that's really selfish. Like, you know, but the, the longer I have Yeah. Yeah. And look, I can, I can say this, my husband and I talked very openly about it because it's like, Yeah. We change so much in such a short period of time, but we're also, we're wired to be attracted to the opposite sex.[00:47:00]
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know some people are not, but like that is just something that we are as humans. And there's a lot of books that you can read about, you know, how marriage is one of those things that was created by an institution that wants to keep people doing what the institution wants them to do. And is that the right thing?
I don't know. I don't know. I have kids. I want a secure, safe space for them, and that is what our world believes is a secure, safe space for children.
Speaker: And
Speaker 2: I don't know how it looks otherwise, because I don't know. But Andrew Tait has really kind of cracked open different ways of thinking about things. The problem I have with Andrew Tait and Varieties of Andrew.
There's a few of them out there is that it's very this way or that way. And there's no in between. And I've said it multiple times already. [00:48:00] I hate the idea that everything is black and white. Like there is so much in between. We don't need to say I'm a feminist or I'm anti feminist. I'm a misogynist or I'm a feminist or like whatever it is.
Like we don't need to be so polarizing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's actually a lot in between.
Speaker: Yeah. I get what you're saying. And you know what, even I have to check that in myself a lot because I can tend to have black and white thinking on a lot of things. And it's over years that I've had to start to be like, okay, what's in the middle?
What am I not looking at? What's in the middle? Maybe I can have a bit of both views or maybe I can change views. And you know, it's not all just black and white. You are so right.
Speaker 2: I think your podcast does a great job of that though. Like I know Controversial as fuck kind of sounds like it's going to be one sided, but then when you actually listen to the podcast, it's a discussion, right?
And it's asking questions and yes, you will have an opinion and you'll say like, this is my opinion, but you're [00:49:00] also, and it's the same as what I do. Like I'm open to learn, send me what you know, like that's what this discussion is for.
Speaker: Yeah. Well, thanks for saying that. Cause that's one thing that I'm so hyper aware of myself.
Cause growing up, I was extremely black and white thinking, and I thought the whole world had to agree with me, or it would trigger the absolute crap out of me. If anyone thought different to me, like it triggered me so badly. I couldn't handle it. So it's been a big journey to get out of that way of thinking.
So I'm probably hyper aware of not being like that with guests or just with my opinions in general, but still also having, um, A strong opinion. It can be a hard line sometimes. Um, Yeah, especially in the whole
Speaker 2: world is like driven by polarity, like the, the yes or the no. Yeah. Um, and, but that is, again, that's the media and it is politics too.
It's like you either vote left or right. Yeah. Like I'm not left or right. One day, right. The other and talking about
Speaker: a hundred [00:50:00] percent. Absolutely. And just on Andrew Tate, I have to agree on the fact that when I first. heard or saw clips of him. They were very, very short clips. And I, and I remember seeing something about the way he was speaking to a woman.
I was like, who is this douchebag? Like I could not stand the guy. Um, and then I was like, okay, over time I thought I need to start watching some longer form content of his, just so I can get like full clarity in what he's saying. Hours. And I mean, hours of content of him in so many different podcast interviews.
And I was like, I actually personally agree with probably 80 percent of what actually comes out of his mouth. I think his delivery sometimes can be questioned. And some of the ways that he has over the past spoken and, you know, it's certain things about women. I've been like. You could have worded that way better, mate.
Like what you're saying, I think is, is probably in there, but it's the way that he's worded it. But I have to admit, I, my, my views on him completely [00:51:00] changed when I actually watched the long form content of his and not just the short clips, the buzz clips, which is fascinating. Cause I feel like, yeah, it, it, yeah, just changed my view on him.
It really did. Well,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like Trump in a sense. Right. Like it's the way he's doing it is because it gets the message out there. It's a little bit polarizing. No, a lot polarizing, but it gets the message out there. And I think a lot of thought leaders intentionally do that because if you, really, truly want to change the world, you have to put yourself out there and you putting yourself on the line as well for that scrutiny.
It's scary to put yourself on the line with scrutiny, but at the same time, if you have a bigger mission than that scrutiny, you don't give a shit.
Speaker: Yeah, and I think that's probably what is drawing me to even both of those figures, because I actually quite like what I see of Trump as far as, like, [00:52:00] I like the guy.
I actually genuinely like him. My dad is obsessed with Trump. He's like Trump's number one fan. To give you context, when my dad sends me text messages, he finishes the text messages with, I love you, Holly, and then full stop, go Trump. Like, just for full context, he's Trump's number one fan. And Aussie, Ex biker now Christian man is like Trump's number one fan.
But yeah, so like, it's a joke in our family that like dad's obsessed, but I like Trump. I like Andrew Tate. I like that they're what it is. It's it's, I think it's the masculinity. And I know some people will see it as like toxic masculinity, but I, I draw strength from seeing men that are a little bit rough around the edges.
It's a little bit like don't give a shit what people kind of think of them, whether it's a facade. It could just be a big facade with them, but it's just what I see in the media of like, they just don't give a shit of the repercussions that seem to come their way. And they'll stand strongly in their opinion, even if the whole world hates on them [00:53:00] now.
Again, delivery, not every moral part of them do I agree with, I'm not suggesting that, but I'm, I guess the feminine part of me is very much drawn to that strong, like just manly, I can't stand guys that can't make a decision. I can't stand guys that are just like wishy washy. Or like even journalists that just, I don't know, I've been so turned off by so many men that are just not men these days.
It greases me out and that's probably polarizing just saying that alone, but I think it's that strong masculinity. I don't think
Speaker 2: you're alone in that. I don't think you're alone in that. But I think also like knowing that it doesn't matter whether it's a man or a woman, you don't have to agree with everything that that person agree with, speaks for.
Let me start that again. You don't have to agree with everything they, they speak about in order to learn from them or to agree on some things. Like there's even my best friends, we don't agree on everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah. [00:54:00] It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean I can't learn from them in some areas or learn on the, learn about the things that I don't agree with and like open my perspective and my mind to different ways of doing things.
Speaker: Yeah. And I so appreciate that because you've even reached out to, or you said it earlier in the beginning of this chat that you haven't agreed with everything that I've said on my podcast. In fact, I think I highly doubt I would meet a single person that agrees with every single word that I say on my podcast or every single view that I have.
But you still like, listen and tune in and, and we've had awesome conversations. And I so respect that in individuals. I'm just being mindful of time. Um, I just realized the time we could chat for hours. I would love to know, and this is a rapid fire question. So you do not have to explain this at all. No explanation or justification, unless you want to go for it.
Um, if you could instantly dismantle one institution, what would it be? What do you think I'm gonna say? Oh, there's so many. I actually think you [00:55:00] could go down, like, like, I don't know. Cause there's a Education, 100%. Okay. I wasn't sure if it was that or even medical field, cause I've been seeing your posts lately about, cause I know you've said you've got ADHD.
Yes. And You
Speaker 2: know what? All institutions. The institutions Yeah. But education first. Definitely.
Speaker: Interesting. Yeah. It would
Speaker 2: be a filter. It would filtrate into everything that way.
Speaker: Yeah. It would. It absolutely would. What's one piece of mainstream advice that you think is actually harmful? Positive thinking.
Speaker 2: Just think positive.
Speaker: Yes! Oh my god, I, I used to, I bought into that one hook, line and sinker. I was the queen of positive thinking.
Speaker 2: And all it does is lead into negative thinking because you cannot Think positively all the time. So then you're like, what's wrong with me? Yeah. It spirals.
Speaker: A hundred percent.
It makes you feel worse because you actually think you're defunct and you're like, I can't [00:56:00] even do this positive thinking thing. What is wrong with me?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Can't even nail
Speaker: that one thing. Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. What's your boldest prediction for the future of your industry?
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like I've kind of already given a little bit of insights.
Uh, my boldest prediction though, is that, and I feel like this is already happening, there's going to be a lot of businesses that shut down in the near future, in the next decade. Um, and that's, it's not a happy prediction, but it's like a prediction that I want people to be aware of because. you have power now to do something about it.
And I honestly believe that if you are at the forefront of using AI, you're protecting yourself from that happening. And I don't want it to happen, but at the same time, it also might be a really good thing for a lot of people, because if there becomes a baseline wage, [00:57:00] then, and you don't need a business to, you know, have a heap of money in the bank and you just, you know, work a little bit.
And it tops you up and you have your three and a half day weekend. Maybe that's perfect. But I think that like Kodak, remember Kodak? Oh my God. Yeah. Well, Kodak no longer exists. They're huge. Wow. They refused to go digital and they died in the ass. So don't have a Kodak moment. Don't, don't bury your head in the sand about technological changes that are happening because there will be a lot of businesses that don't keep up and shut down.
And it's, it's a daunting thought and discussion, but it's better to have the discussion now than in a decade's time and go, Oh yeah, shit. We really should have started using that.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely. And before I get you to explain what you have on [00:58:00] offer, your services, because I'd love you just to explain what it's called, what you have, um, what would be, if there's any, a question that you would have wished I would have asked you, if any,
Speaker 3: that I haven't
Speaker: asked you.
Speaker 2: A question? Or even just anything you just want to say, just to put you on the spot. Well, to put me on the spot, I could say anything. So, um, I don't know, because if I start, I won't stop Holly, a good thing that you didn't ask me any more questions. So we'll say that there's so many I could have asked you to, I was like, we could talk about this.
I have a question. I have a question for you. What the hell are you going to call this episode?
Speaker: Yeah. You know what? I'm going to put this. I'm going to put the notes. The transcript into chat GPT, and I'm going to say, you should probably tell me what to do, but I'm going to get it to populate a whole bunch of options for me because I don't bloody know.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just going to be like a list. It's going to be like aliens, Trump, AI. [00:59:00] What else? And other
Speaker: discussions, it's literally all buzzwords as well. It's all things that people will be like, I want to know her opinion. I want to know what does she think? Cause yeah, I don't know. I'm a nosy person like that.
I just love to know what people think on everything. So yeah, buzzword buzzword it up. Buzzword Now, tell me, what do you have on offer? Uh, it, um, is it Biz Revolution? Am I saying that correctly? Correct.
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
Speaker 2: Well done. So, biz Revolution is my membership for women in business who wanna get more shit done in less time.
So a big focus in there is ai, but it's not just ai. Uh, AI is a, like i'll often. Be looking at someone's problem and going, how can we solve this with AI? Because then you have more time for the things you love and whether that's your family, whether that's doing more work with whatever it is, exercising, hiking, like that, that is the goal there is to get more women having more time on their hands to do the things that they love.
And we do that with your AI marketing, um, and [01:00:00] community. Cause I think that's really important. So it's a membership. It's just 97 a month. You can access it like now. I don't close the doors. I'd love for you to come and join. I'll, I'll send you a link. Um, Holly, if you want to put it in the show notes and, um, otherwise like I, I am a manifesting generator and I know you know all about that and I have ideas for days around things that I offer at different times.
So depending on when you're listening to this, it will depend on what I'm. Offering otherwise than the membership, because I will have an idea. I'm like, Oh, I can't wait to sink my teeth into that. And then I go and do it. So the best way to connect with me is just on Instagram. Um, at the real underscore MG and yeah, see what I'm up to today.
Cause who knows. I might've been taken away by the aliens at this point. Make sure you come and visit me if they do take you,
Speaker: come back and tell me what it's like. Yes. Oh, I'd love to. Oh, bloody love it. Thank you so much for, for being on the podcast. I seriously love this chat. I could talk to [01:01:00] you for hours about many rabbit holes and maybe in the future we'll get you back on to talk about many more rabbit holes that we could go down.
Um, but yeah, I really appreciate you and I'll have all your details in the show notes for sure. And check out the biz revolution that sounds bloody insanely good. So check her out. Thank you. Thanks so much for having me. That was fun.