Ep. 19 | Trauma, Psychedelics, the Patriarchy, Controlled Opposition and Jesus: Uncut with Holly Loxton
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Hollie Wild: We are live. We have the beautiful Holly Loxton here with us today. Welcome, Holly. Thank you so much for being here, my fellow Holly. Thank you, Holly. It sounds weird hearing that. You're Holly double L Y, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah. My parents had to be different with the IE. That's the only difference, but we're both Hollies.
Cool name. I always love Hollies. I've actually never met one that I dislike. I don't know if that's the same for you.
Holly Loxton: It is actually the same. We seem to be a fairly jovial bunch. I'll give us that. Yeah,
Hollie Wild: we're legends, if I do say so myself. Not pride filled at all over here. But [00:01:00] no, seriously, welcome to Controversial as Fuck.
I have been wanting to have you on and I was just like, there is a lot of. different topics that we could cover. And it's funny because this is actually the first time that we are meeting properly face to face, like we've met. Online through Instagram. And we know mutual people, especially through throughout Perth, and we've had conversations like through messages and realized, bloody oath, this chick's awesome.
And I love the way that you think about the world. And I was like, yeah, we've got to, got to get you on Holly. First official welcome.
Holly Loxton: Get her on for a chinwag.
Hollie Wild: Yeah, because this could be a long conversation with the rabbit holes we could go down. But I'll get you to start off with, tell me, tell everyone who you are, first of all.
What's your line of work, your typical elevator pitch that people give. Let us know who you are and what got you into the line of work that you do.
Holly Loxton: Who are any of us really? Holly, like, [00:02:00] come on . Anyway, the conversation. Alright, so my name's Holly Luxton. I have been a coach, a mindset coach, a hypnotherapist, a somatic trauma therapist, a psychedelic integration guide for, oh, since 2018 I started my coaching business and I started off as a hypnotherapist and then I realized.
Through that work, even though I was getting great results with my clients, there was just, there was more of always being this person that just wants to know all the things about all the things. So I would say that was when I started weaving in my, spiritual knowledge into things and realize the results that you could get when you started adding in the spiritual stuff into the healing stuff.
It just takes it to a whole new level. And then I started learning somatic trauma therapy as well, which I know you're a big fan of yourself and that just being able to hit the healing and, what would you call it? [00:03:00] expansiveness, I guess you could say, like unlocking all of those limiting beliefs that we get programmed into us from a young age.
it just works so much better when you can actually do all of the layers at once. So I work predominantly with entrepreneurs, execs, CEOs, people that I have A high stress load in their lives and usually managing a lot of people and a lot of money. I work with those people and we just hit every single layer of their healing.
So we go mental, physical, emotional, spiritual, and put it in a nice little package so that they can actually go and do what they've got given purposes on this earth.
Hollie Wild: That's awesome. That's so cool. What, what made you even interested in all this work in the first place? Cause that's a lot by the way, you've got many hats, like you've got a lot of experience in there as well.
Holly Loxton: Yeah, absolutely. I would say, I mean, why do any of us get into the healing arts? It's because we had to get over something ourselves, right? We, we were in a lot of pain. I had to drag [00:04:00] myself out of a really deep hole. I've always been interested in personal development and healing. Even ever since I was about 20, I went to my first personal development seminar.
That was a Brandon Bayes one, like ages and ages and ages ago. I'm 38 now. So it was 400 years ago.
Hollie Wild: We're
Holly Loxton: the same age. Yay. Represent. So, yeah, basically in 2016, my family and I lost everything. We had pubs and stuff up north and we just got wiped out with the tanking of all of the prices of, Iron ore and everything basically just tanked the housing prices up there and we had so many properties that we just lost everything.
I came back and that had been a really stressful year actually. I went up ostensibly to renovate and open a restaurant for my parents. So I went and did that, but getting that off the ground [00:05:00] and then losing everything, including my house. Same year, I figured out my husband was actually a con artist that was just using me for money.
So when he, when I couldn't afford to pay for him anymore, he had disappeared. So yeah, lost my house, lost my husband and basically came back to Perth from Karratha with, Less than nothing, just a whole bunch of debt and was really, really unwell. So I couldn't even go back and I was really overweight as well.
So I was sick in all ways. I couldn't even go back into like stripping or anything like that. Cause I put on too much weight.
Hollie Wild: Wow. Far out. That's a shitty year right there. Holy shit.
Holly Loxton: I know 10 30 that year. And that was like, that was a really deep hole. I had to dig myself out of. That was hard.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. I can imagine. It's true though. Often people that are drawn to, well, pretty much all the time, unless they're con artists, people that are drawn to trauma work, like wanting to help others. [00:06:00] It's because of their own pain that they're working through or, particular areas of life that they've overcome.
It's so common, but I also think that in a way that's healthy because you have lived experience. It's not just head knowledge. You've got You've got the lived experience of what it's like to deal with pain.
Holly Loxton: And I make a little bit of a joke with my clients. Like I would say I've had a little smorgasbord of trauma in my life.
Like I've had a little bit of sexual trauma, a little bit of financial trauma, well, a lot of financial trauma, but a little bit of like other, different types of trauma. And so I've got like this, broad knowledge of being able to relate to people pretty much on every level.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: The only thing I've never had was domestic violence, but I think I blame my extensive martial arts training when I was younger for that because that went very well.
Good [00:07:00] luck going up against me. You better fucking knock me out because when I get you're fucked.
Hollie Wild: Oh my god, that's hilarious. I get what you're saying though. It is like You know, tastes of all different things that you have to overcome and work through. And yeah, which then makes you an incredible in the line of work that you do.
Do you, I've got a question about this. Do you find that the word trauma has hijacked the right word? Like you hear the word trauma a lot these days. And. I don't know about you, you're going to explain your version. I don't want to put my, the way that I look at it onto you at all. But everyone has a form of trauma because, we, back in the day, we used to think that trauma was a big event in life.
Whereas the way that you look at it now, most people would say it's the way that your body reacts to what you've gone through. So it can be different for everyone, but everyone on some level has some form of trauma to deal with, but it's almost become the [00:08:00] biggest, you know, buzzword these days where, the way that I see it, and this may sound controversial, but it's seen as a way of, if you say, oh, I've got trauma, it's a way to get out of having to work through it and having to, it's like play the victim card.
I'd love to know your thoughts on that or anything I just said then at all. Yeah. Cause you hear trauma is a big buzzword now. I can see you laughing.
Holly Loxton: Way to kick it off, Holly. Good thing we're on a podcast called Controversial as Fuck because I'm sure that people are, they know what they're about to get into when they start putting it in their ear holes.
So Look, we've gone from our parents generation that pretty much just blatantly ignored absolutely everything that was wrong to I like to think of it as the pendulum swinging in the other direction. Now we've gone through the awareness stage where we're like, Hey, look, this is a thing like your trauma history, the things that your body [00:09:00] is holding onto and your mind does actually affect the way that.
You operate and your unconscious behaviors in society, it, affects whether or not you're going to be able to have a business or get the job that you want, or have the relationship that you want or the health that you want. It affects everything, right?
Speaker 3: Mm-Hmm, .
Holly Loxton: But because our English language is so limited in the words that we can use for things, yeah, we do have a problem with it because a trauma, the way that I equate to it, it's.
A trauma can be a pain, a gunshot wound or a paper
Speaker 3: cut
Holly Loxton: trauma to the body. Something's disrupted the natural flow of energy within the body. If you look after a gunshot wound really well and you remove the brass and you stitch it up and you look after it and you'll be fine, you might have a little scar.[00:10:00]
Equally, if you have a paper cut and you don't look after it and you go and stick your hand in the toilet and, just basically don't take care of it, you could lose a finger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Yep.
Holly Loxton: So it's really not necessarily what happened to you. It's what is it doing to you still? So when we're talking about trauma, we need to understand the actual, I don't think there's enough awareness now around the actual cause of it.
Trauma is something that is Staying with you. It's something you have not let go because at the time of like impact, whether that was emotional, physical or otherwise, your body could not handle that situation. It doesn't matter what the situation was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: You were either overwhelmed. You didn't have the support or the time to allow your body to go through the natural emotional and physical completion cycle for you to then be able to let that go.
Speaker 4: [00:11:00] Yeah. So well put.
Holly Loxton: Yeah. So it's something that still has an emotional charge, basically,
Speaker 3: that's
Holly Loxton: My best definition of trauma for the average lay person. Obviously there's so many nuances as we get into it. Different traumas have different trauma, different survival strategy patterns that come with it.
So if we're looking at sexual trauma and sexual trauma is a really interesting one because it's a violation trauma. We can actually get presenting symptoms of what looks like it would be from sexual trauma from any violation that we've had. So that, that might be a bad dentist trip as a child can then present sexual traumas.
It's a violation. It's someone going inside your body when you don't want them there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow.
Holly Loxton: And so this is where we start getting into yes, there's a very heavy science component to [00:12:00] the world of trauma, but there's also an art form to it, where as a practitioner, I'm someone speaking to me and I'm analyzing what they're saying.
I'm analyzing what their body's doing as they're saying it. And we are working with what the body is throwing up to be dealt with essentially.
Hollie Wild: Yeah, that's fascinating. And because you mentioned that you work with like obviously professionals, high performers, very ambitious individuals, do you find these tend to be the type that would lean more towards saying, I don't have any trauma, but something's not quite working?
Or is that not always the case?
Holly Loxton: I've said this a million times on a million podcasts, and I'll say it again, because it just is so it's so true. Some incredible businesses have been built off the back of incredible trauma.
Hollie Wild: Yeah, I can understand that.
Holly Loxton: When you don't have anything else except something to prove, you will go and build a massive business [00:13:00] quite often.
Yeah. Or, you'll work your way up the corporate ladder. in people that are already successful, they often come to me when they're, they've either Achieved a shit ton of success in the world and they're still really unhappy and they're like, I thought the cars, money, the girls, the boys would fill this hole.
And it's not what the fuck is wrong? I'm still holding this shit from my childhood or from a relationship or whatever. And it's ruining my life, even though I've got all of the external trappings of success. I've had that a lot.
Hollie Wild: Yeah, I could understand that because I often find that the real like high achievers and even some that I've worked with in the past do tend to be the ones that will, have almost like workaholism would be one, an inability to rest and to stop and to be still.
It's like, feels very unsafe to just sit and to just do nothing and to be bored. Like that's a very uncomfortable feeling. And I know that even Not that I'm suggesting I'm some massive big high achiever, but even in myself, like that was one that I had to work through [00:14:00] massively myself was. How to actually just be like, to just rest and to not like, even if family would come and visit at my house, I'd be the one standing in the kitchen, just wiping a bench.
Like I couldn't even just sit and talk to somebody. I had to be doing something at the same time. It felt that unnerving. It was just ridiculous. my family pointed out to me one day, they're like, you can't be still. And I was like, Oh my gosh, neither can dad. Like, I realized it's something that. Yeah.
And I did see that in clients as well, like just this inability to be still. And I find that's quite common with high achievers and so many other things as well. And you, you work with them way more than what I have in the past. So you would know more that there tends to be things that are lumped together when you are highly ambitious, go getter, very disciplined.
And I find, and I'd love your opinion on this, that like with trauma, there can be. Like two sides to it to the pain where there's the side that it's like an advantage to us and some awesome skills that we can [00:15:00] develop through that. And then there's also the downside to it to our health and to our like emotional health, physical health.
Yeah, I'd love to know what your thoughts are on that on like how there are. Yeah.
Holly Loxton: So we have our trauma, which is the pain that happened to us that we have not let go yet in whatever capacity. And then we've got the survival strategies that we've unconsciously developed in order to either soothe or escape from that trauma.
So that can range anything from, like we were talking about that, the ones that are, I would actually. Posit that the ones that are more well rewarded by society are actually harder to get control of sometimes. So workaholism success addiction is one, because they are so well rewarded and they lead you to living a really comfortable, good life with lots of money and people thinking that you're wonderful, like [00:16:00] that is a very hard thing to break.
the addictive cycle of, but then we're also looking at any sort of substance abuse or dependency, any sort of impulse issue around, gambling, online shopping. This is where we really get stuck into it. The, scroll hole falling into a scroll hole addiction on social media.
Hollie Wild: That's always been my biggest one.
Yeah.
Holly Loxton: That's a really, really bad one. I've got to pump the brakes on that one myself. And it's even harder when your work actually depends on what it is that you're doing, like with us.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: So we want to get away from it, but we kind of can't because we have to be present, it's a whole host of things.
yeah. Is trauma being overused as a word? I think so, but at the same time, everything in our society gets utilized by people that are in extreme victimhood all the time [00:17:00] and they're trying to gain some semblance of control by, broadcasting their victimhood rather than just doing something about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I
Holly Loxton: think that's also partially a problem because in the mainstream medical, as we were discussing before, and I've just had this conversation with my friend, he was like, do you know anyone that does what you do? That's a psychologist or a counselor that I can use some mental health, it's got the mental health plan, all sessions left on it.
And the two sessions that he went and did with a psychologist were absolute garbage. And I'm like, no, I don't know anyone in that mainstream medical that does what you do. That's what I do. And so we've got this massive disconnect. Suddenly we've got all this awareness around what trauma is. There's no help in the mainstream medical and that's where most people go to get help for their mental problems.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. It's concerning. It is really concerning. What do you think is the biggest [00:18:00] misconception with mainstream's way of healing? what do you see is mostly wrong with your mainstream methods? That could be a podcast all on its own.
Holly Loxton: Um, well, it starts from the top down. The red tape is ridiculous.
Any sort of change or having any sort of alternative therapy, like, you know, somatic therapy, even though somatic therapy is. It's widely recognized as a really, frontline science in the world of healing. It's still not, covered under any sort of private health or any sort of Medicare or anything.
But then again, neither is naturopathy. the, they've taken, they've ripped out the guts, they've ripped the guts out of the private health thing that we pay for.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: Pay extra for private health, and I can't go and see, like I pretty much can only do physio, [00:19:00] chiropractor, dental, whatever,
I think it's a massive failing from a governmental level, it's a massive failing from the private health side. I think it's a massive failing from the, the red tape bureaucracy side of things, but I also look at it from the psychology point of view. So before I became a coach, I actually bought, like a self study course that was going to take me about two years to become a counselor, like a registered counselor.
And I was reading the first, probably a couple of chapters, like I got back, I sat down, I was like, okay, cool, I'm going to start studying this now. And the whole couple of first chapters were all the things that you could not do or say as a counselor. Wow. Like, you're not allowed to give advice. Really? As a psychologist and a counselor, you can't give advice.
Speaker 4: What?
Holly Loxton: The liability issue.
Speaker 4: Oh. They can't tell you
Holly Loxton: what to do. They can ask you [00:20:00] leading questions. They can try and get you to come up with the answer. They can put you in a box. They can give you a schema of all of your problems. They can medicate you, but they can't actually give you any advice. Wow. I didn't know that.
Um, and I asked, I said this to the last counseling session I had back in, I think it was 2015 and I sort of already knew this because I asked my counselor, I was asking her for advice on whether or not to leave my husband. Um, and she basically just said, Holly, I can't tell you what to do. I can't give you my advice.
I can't give you my opinion on it. Yeah. Wow. There's a lot of red tape with it. Well, that was the last counseling session I ever had because I said, well, with all due respect, I really like you, but I wouldn't be here if I knew what to do.
Hollie Wild: I'm coming to you for help. I'm
Holly Loxton: coming to you for help. You need to tell me what you see.
I need your advice. And she's like, yeah. So I walked out, never went to another counseling or psychology session [00:21:00] again. I make sure my clients sign a disclaimer and I tell them, I'm going to give you a My opinion on everything, it's up to you whether or not you want to do it. It's your life decisions are your own, but I'm going to give you the full whack of what I can see and what I think you should do in these situations.
Hollie Wild: Which I respect because that's the whole point is people are coming for your honesty and for your input. And the fact that you've got experience in all of this, like you're going to see things that they're not aware of. So. Yeah. It makes complete sense. Seriously.
Holly Loxton: They all know what they're getting into.
I've, especially my male clients. I love working with men. It's so much fun.
Hollie Wild: Most of the time, it's just me telling them where they're being a little bitch. Called one of my cunt ononcethat was really funny. They just take it though. They, yeah.
Holly Loxton: Taking it back for a second. And he was like, Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, you're right. I do need to [00:22:00] stop doing that. Oh
Hollie Wild: my god. So, okay then. So, how do we heal, Holly?
How do we begin to, and I'm not suggesting that healing is like some end destination, but how do we start to address, you know, The unresolved stuff within what's your advice with all that?
Holly Loxton: Well, I think the hardest part is the awareness part first, because 95 percent of who we are is unconscious to us, which sort of makes it difficult.
And in my mind, I'm sitting there going, man, This is such, this is a shit game. You're telling me that all the stuff that I need to sort out within myself is unconscious to me and now I've got to go fucking trauma treasure hunt to figure out this shit. That's essentially what it does take. It takes you, first of all, taking that 100 percent [00:23:00] responsibility of everything that's happening to you from you and in your life.
everything is being presented to you for a reason. I believe that God is always developing us through our struggles. I believe that, and this is part of what I teach in the realm of faith with my clients, is that anything that you're being given, it is there for your growth.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: It's for you because when you transmute That pain, it actually unlocks the other side of whatever that was.
So I get really excited when someone comes to me in a lot of pain, cause I'm like, awesome. That means you are going, like, when we get you through this and get you over this, you are now going to have the opportunity to experience the exact opposite. Of what you're experiencing now.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. And that's beautiful.
That's so beautiful.
Holly Loxton: My clients hate me because I get excited when they get triggered. I'm like, fantastic. This is fantastic. Now we've got something to work with. Now we can, our triggers basically tell us [00:24:00] where we are not healed yet. So whatever's triggering you in your life, if it's making you angry, upset, sad, or tired or otherwise, then that thing it's time to actually look.
Deeper into you and figure out what's wounded in you that it gets to be healed so that that thing stops upsetting you.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. And there's so much power in that. Speaking of triggers, I just had something come to me then, a bit of a trend that I'm noticing lately, and you may see it differently, but so I'd love to get your, your take on this is.
Within women in particular, when, if we're feeling triggered, if we're struggling in our lives, or maybe we're carrying a lot of pain or shame or anything from our past, the trend that I'm noticing is to instantly blame it onto men and onto the patriarchy. And I know I'm, this is a whole nother rabbit hole and controversial topic.
I'm obviously quite vocal on social media and on my podcast about my take on the [00:25:00] patriarchy and how I actually support a patriarchal society because in my opinion, it's, it's, like it's my leadership, which is an awesome thing. But there's obviously a difference between a patriarchy and misogyny, like there's a difference there.
But do you ever come across. This in your line of work where it's almost like the get out of jail free card where we get to shove all of our shit essentially onto the patriarchy and therefore we get away with our shitty behaviors. Do you ever come across that in trauma work or what's your view on the patriarchy and all of that in general anyway?
Whether you agree or disagree with me, I'm open to it all.
Holly Loxton: It's such a huge, it's such a huge unloaded question. So I'll give you my honest opinion from what I can ascertain is going on in society. Firstly, I think feminism is the worst thing that's ever happened to women and society in general.
Hollie Wild:
Holly Loxton: Those hardcore feminists don't come at me because I'm going to explain why. I am a big proponent of [00:26:00] equal rights, not equal roles. I coined that phrase just quietly. So if you're going to quote me, make sure you quote me properly.
I think that for sending women out into the workforce has been incredibly detrimental for families. I have done a big look into it myself and just looking at the origins of feminism and how it's mostly Rothschilds. So they could tax the other half. I think population just really upsets me greatly. And when you're looking at, if we're going to go into full blown tinfoil hat territory, the destruction of the family and sending kids away at such young ages, so that they're not in contact with their parents essentially, and instead brought up by the governmental authorities in the schooling system, that is a whole podcast on its own, but anyway, that's one part of the whole feminism journey.
The other part is, as women, we, we don't have the biological and the physiological structure to [00:27:00] work like men, we don't, right? Every woman that sits there preaching on her high horse about equality, I'm like, cool, go in the, go in the mineshafts.
Speaker 3: Go
Holly Loxton: be a garbage truck driver. Why are you complaining that women don't have enough representation in office jobs and in CEOs and behind desks in tall towers?
Why don't you go and be a sparky? Why don't you go and be a mechanic? Why don't you go to the dirty jobs where there is no women if you really want female equality? Go there. if you really want to represent women in the workplace, go to the workplace where it's 97, 98 percent men dominant, but then women don't want to do that job.
And so this is what gives me the shits about women. And I'm no, I'm coming across like a woman hater and I'm absolutely not because there are beautiful women out there that totally understand what I'm talking about. But there is a large portion of the population where women are wanting all of these equal rights and [00:28:00] everything, but they cherry picking.
where they want equal rights. And that's not fair. I think men have. Very much being beaten down by women and almost lost their place in society. A lot of the time I get a lot of men that have come through that's just, they're just like, you know what? I can't win. Can't win. I'll provide for a woman. She doesn't want me to provide for her.
I don't provide. Then I get the kicked out of me. Like I don't even know what to do as a man anymore, whereas society. And so I believe we don't have a lack of masculinity in the world. We have a lack of healthy masculinity. But we also have a lack of healthy femininity. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: This
Holly Loxton: whole place is a fucking insane asylum and people really need to pull their fingers out of their arse because if we don't sort this out, I'm looking at the world, I don't know if you've looked outside or on the internet lately, and I can't, I [00:29:00] can't figure out which episode of black mirror we're up to, but we've got a really big problem.
Can we not sort this shit out? As a collective, it's not looking good.
Speaker 4: No.
Holly Loxton: So in answer to your question, is it the patriarchal problem? It's nuanced because the world has been set up. I don't even think it's a patriarchal problem. I think it's more, if I'm going to put my tinfoil hat back on the people at the very, very, very, very top that we never see.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: I'm talking above government, the people that are really pulling the levers. And then above that, if you're looking at this spiritual component, the spiritual warfare that's going on, because I look at all the different layers of what's going on in this. lovely hologram that we find ourselves in. the, we don't war.
against people. We war against principalities and, and different power structures in a more of the [00:30:00] etherical realm.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: So that's what we're up against is showing up in the physical through people.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. Wow. That could, I love this. Every time you said, if I put my tinfoil hat back on, I'm like, please do.
Keep it on. I bloody love it.
Holly Loxton: Everyone's like, I have a firm belief that anyone that's being put in power or influence of any capacity, like we're talking any influences that have, millions of followers or any sort of clout in the social circles, including people like Rogan, I think they're either put there or allowed to stay there.
Hollie Wild: Interesting. Do you want to elaborate further on that or do you want to leave that at that before we move on?
Holly Loxton: I think people that have managed to get their themselves into a [00:31:00] position where they do have a lot of influence, if they're allowed to stay there, it's because they're not upsetting the apple cart.
Hollie Wild: So with Rogan, for instance, I'm intrigued. Do you think, well, my mind is like ticking. Do you think, as in he's allowed to continue, but there'd be certain topics he wouldn't be allowed to speak on, or yeah, what's, what do you mean with, in regards to him in particular?
Holly Loxton: Roven in particular? I just think personally.
Yeah, something fucky is going on there. I don't know why. Spiritual radar is going ding ding ding ding ding. Nah, there's something, something there. He's either allowed to stay there. He might have the best intentions. Absolutely. But he's allowed to stay there for a reason, especially with all the controversial people that he's had on.
I'm sitting there going, then it would be so easy to turn him [00:32:00] off,
It would be so easy to turn off any of us look at the cancellation and everything that came through. I've got a ban on my Facebook. I can't run ads for my business because there's a ban on my Facebook that I'm pretty sure is linked back to some of the shit that I was saying about central banking, digital currencies back in 2020.
Hollie Wild: Like they can literally shut off any of us, like they did with Andrew Tate, for instance.
Holly Loxton: Oh, see even him. I'm like, no, tell me. I just think there's psyops going on everywhere. Trump. Same sign.
Hollie Wild: What are your thoughts on him since you've just mentioned him?
Holly Loxton: I used to think, so I also think that there's a lot of power in being able to gain new knowledge and change your mind. I used to think back in 2020, I was like, yep, cool, this Trump guy, he seems like he's the one that's, you know, more for things like decentralization and freedom of the people and blah, blah, blah.
[00:33:00] And the more I looked into it, the more I'm like, it's two wings of the same bird.
Hollie Wild: I get what you're saying
Holly Loxton: and they're just pitting, like, the whole thing is divide and conquer. If you can divide the people and have them fighting against each other, they're never going to look up.
Hollie Wild: So would you say with politics in general, is your view, don't even get involved? Like, do you think there's no point in even like the voting system and all of, all of that?
Holly Loxton: Um, I wouldn't say there's no point. I would say we still need to have a, a say, but whether or not that say actually goes anywhere, like we saw with the, the Biden election, I just don't think, I think it's probably a moot point. Really? I don't know if we have as much say as what we think we do. I think it's all an illusion.
Hollie Wild: God. This could be a podcast episode on its own, talking about all this stuff. Do you see it always like a big distraction?
Holly Loxton: [00:34:00] Absolutely. Like I said, divide and conquer. If you keep people interested more in their own physical, Health and safety, and you press on them just enough with the financial and the comfort and all of that sort of thing, if you press on them just enough to keep them very egocentrical, very self centered, because they have to be, then you can do whatever you want.
They're too busy. They're too busy looking after themselves, their family. Most people are actually, despite what everything I've just said about people being fuckwits, um, most people, when you really drill it down to the core, if you take off that stuff and you go right for, for five minutes, we're just not going to attack.
Someone else. We're just going to be with each other. You see it when people go through massive crisis and there's no one around to help. We love each other, really. We do. If we had a society, this is why I've been so [00:35:00] big on, on helping people with their financial and abundance work and getting those inner programs around it sorted out, because there's nothing spiritual about bread lines.
It's nothing spiritual about poverty. There's nothing that helps humanity about us all being poor. If we had a society where everyone was Just, you know, being had the equal opportunity to be as abundant as what they wanted to put the effort in for, like a proper meritocracy
Hollie Wild: and
Holly Loxton: people were just able to, you know, do the work that they wanted to do.
We would have a very different world. We would have a beautiful world because at the base level, most people. I actually just want love and safety and to have a nice family and live out a happy life. That's all we really want.
Hollie Wild: Yeah, I agree. I think that I, I definitely, even though it's a, it does seem like a very heightened state that the world's in, it's very messed up at the moment.
It's like crazy world. I do still choose to see the good in [00:36:00] people and in humanity, because I agree with you. I think at the core of it all. We all do want love and to love and to be loved.
yeah, I do choose to see the, the good in, in people as well. Cause I think at the core of us, we are, we are good. Like I think humans are good across the board, majority.
Holly Loxton: And all the time in my clients, because Over the thousand people that I've worked with over the last six years, every single one of them, when they've come in and they're sharing their very deepest, darkest, most vulnerable space of them, they are all beautiful.
Single one of them. Now I'm going to fucking cry because I just, I see the best of people because I see their pain.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: I get to see their pain. I get to see them in the depth of, of just their, their most vulnerable of what they could possibly be. And we're all beautiful at that level because we're all made of the same shit.
Yeah. We're all beautiful. God, walking, talking fractals, it's the same [00:37:00] stuff. We're all built on the basis of love. And I believe we, as a planet, I think we are healing. I don't know if we'll see it in this lifetime. It's going to require a really big shakedown,
Hollie Wild: massive
Holly Loxton: in the middle of the pendulum swinging.
So the pendulum swung all the way the other way as we, just to loop it back into what we were talking about at the very beginning with trauma being, utilized as a reason to not. Do something it is going to come back to the middle where everyone starts taking ultimate responsibility and goes, you know what, I'm just going to take responsibility for myself.
I'm going to do my healing. I'm going to help as many people as I can, not to be a healer or anything like that, but we do, we discount so often the power of someone, just their presence when they're healed.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: Right. Just the people that they contact in their life, every single person is going to have contact with about a million people in their life.[00:38:00]
Trauma starts from one person being a cunt in some, excuse my language, it ripples down throughout families. So the biggest issue that we have in society is actually trauma.
Hollie Wild: Yeah,I agree. I fully agree on that.
Holly Loxton: Second biggest issue is who's pulling the strings in our society because it's not us.
Speaker 4: No.
Holly Loxton: And the third biggest issue, which is probably actually the first biggest issue is the disconnection that we have from God.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: we have strayed so far from what I believe the original design is, which is what we're talking about. Essentially. I recently, when I say recently, I mean like 18 months ago, I had a bit of a come to Jesus moment myself where I started really like That wasn't my choice.
I had everything stripped from me [00:39:00] because me mate Sky Daddy was trying to get my attention. And I was not listening, Okay, cool. I'm just going to start taking away all the parts of your life. So until you're, you're listening. So it's been a really interesting journey, but eventually it has.
Resulted in something that is just so special. And I see life in a very different way these days. I think the first thing that really, I think I said this to you in a message. 2020 was monumental for me because I started actually looking into the Bible again. Not for any other reason than I was looking around at what was happening.
I'm like, this story seems really familiar. What's going on here. And then I started looking at the whole revelation story in the Bible. And I was like, Oh, fuck. Um, and so, yeah, [00:40:00] it's just been. I think that if we were to all have a really strong faith in connection with God, and I'm not talking about religion, I'm not talking about any organized religions because I think they're just as fucked.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: It's not a religion, it's a relationship.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: If everyone was to really work on their relationship with God, we would have a very different society.
Hollie Wild: And who is God to you?
Holly Loxton: God is the absolute, divine, unconditionally loving source. That and the reason why I believe why we look at it as the father is because the masculine, um, consciousness is the observer, the feminine is everything that's being observed.
Yeah. Father, and then the mother being Mother Earth. This is the best way I can describe it with all of the thousands and thousands of hours of study that I've done in [00:41:00] various different religions and Gnostic texts and all of this sort of stuff. There is so much peace. There's so much more peace when you have connection to that divine parent and so much healing as well.
Because not many of us have had good parental experiences. Not only that, our parents were flawed. They were carrying their own trauma. They were carrying their own generational curses from their parents and their parents and their parents. Like humans are flawed as fuck, but God is not. God is perfect, divine, unconditional love.
There is a saying that goes, God hates sinners, I'm sorry, hates sin and loves sinners. We're not condoning the sin, but we're saying the person does deserve to be forgiven. The biggest problem is that everyone, 99 percent of people have amnesia. We don't remember that we're from God and we don't remember that everyone else is from God.
So here we are fighting [00:42:00] with each other, which is the dumbest shit ever,
so dumb, and it's all born from our own trauma.
Speaker 4: Yeah,
Hollie Wild: yeah. And so when you think of God, do you think of like physical form as in like for instance a man or do you see it as like a consciousness or is God like a bright white light or like I'm trying to think of the way different people would describe what God is?
What, what, how would you describe God? side of who God is to you or none of the above.
Holly Loxton: To me, God is the absolute. The reason why Jesus is important is because we can have a relationship with. a man. We can have a relationship with God in human form. It's very hard to have a relationship with divine source consciousness that created everything, including you, because it's too vast.
It's too [00:43:00] broad. Our human brains can't comprehend it. And this is what I know to be true from doing so much plant medicine and working in that side of the psychedelic field with clients and stuff. But
Jesus is important because we can, we can have a relationship with a person. You can't have a relation. I can't say that this handkerchief is, is protecting me or loving me unconditionally because it's an inanimate object. It's hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: As humans, we need, if we're going to have a relationship with something, it needs to be something that we can see has a consciousness.
Like I have a relationship with my cat. She's got eyeballs and she can talk to me. I can have a relationship with my horse for the same reason. I can have a relationship with another person for exactly the same reasons. There's something there that we can actually identify with and have a relationship with.
It's very hard to have a relationship with, source energy. It doesn't land, doesn't hit, you know.
Hollie Wild: Got you. I'm actually going to [00:44:00] do a full episode on this topic because it, it does, I say the word fascinate a lot, but it does fascinate me. Everything bloody fascinates me, but this is up there as like top.
Obviously I was, I've mentioned this before, I think on the podcast that I was raised very religious, very like, I was Christian, but like born again, Christian, Pentecostal, very strict. Like we weren't allowed to have TVs. We weren't allowed to go to the movies. You weren't allowed to date. We signed like dignity contracts very young.
Like, by the way, I see nothing wrong with not having a TV. Kind of cool to be raised like that. Like that was amazing. but very strict, it was very dogmatic, the actual church that I was a part of for the first 25 years of my life. And then I went through a whole deconversion at the age of 33. I went through this massive like dark night of the soul.
I was living in Canada. I was on my own a lot while I was in Canada. And I went through this massive like deconversion. I was very angry. [00:45:00] I was angry at God. I was angry at all religions. I was even angry for a while at my own parents, which I've talked about with them. I was angry at everything. I couldn't even stand hearing the word God.
It would trigger the crap out of me. If someone had on their Instagram follower of Jesus, I would roll my eyes and be like, you wank. Like I was just so mad. And then I went through every single one of my beliefs in that timeframe and It was the hardest thing to have ever done in my life. I have to admit, it was the most challenging thing where my entire identity was wrapped up in being a Christian woman, a born again Christian.
So all of my beliefs, my entire identity was wrapped up in it. And I, one by one went through every single belief system I had. Some, I still came back over years to the same beliefs and others. I was like, yeah, I don't think that actually makes sense for me now as a woman. And for a long time there, I couldn't, I still couldn't even say the [00:46:00] word God.
I still couldn't even consider who God was. And then I have to admit, I was sitting in this exact room that I'm speaking in right now. And it hit me like a ton of bricks one day because I was, it's going to get me emotional. I was yearning for, wow. Um, I was yearning for God. And, but at the same time, I thought that meant.
That I had to be religious. And I thought that that meant that I had to even go to church. And I thought that that meant that I had to be a particular way and hold, God, this gets me emotional, hold particular beliefs. I'm having a crying fest here, but I, it, it just hit me because I was like, I thought that I had to hold particular beliefs that I actually couldn't like, I have.
Evaluated certain beliefs so strongly and I still can't agree on certain things. But yet it just hit me and I felt like this [00:47:00] overwhelming presence of, but I'm none of that. Like, I'm, I'm not a dogma. I'm not a religion like, and I'm here and yeah, it hit me. And that was, that was earlier this year. And that has sent me on this massive journey of working out who God is for me.
Who is Jesus? Like, that's another whole thing that I'm exploring. Who even is Jesus? And. You may see Jesus different to me, but I see him as the biggest badass that if he was like, living right now, he would have been the guy, in my opinion, this could be very controversial, but that would have been at all of the COVID parade saying screw you government, you're not going to control us.
I could see him being against a lot of the social justice movements that are out there today of like, You're not taking away our rights. You're not telling us how to live. Like I see him as such a controversial, just like badass figure who just would not have put up with dogmatic religion at all. And anyway, that was my very long winded, sorry, what was that?
Holly Loxton: He hated [00:48:00] religion. They fucking crucified him.
Hollie Wild: Right? I know.
Holly Loxton: Yeah. People come at me for the whole Jesus thing. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, roll it back. Jesus hated religion. The spirit of religion is fucking demonic. Yeah, it's been used for power and control. It's been used by the people that could read a very small minority of people that could read and this is across, the, like all religions, anything that's got a text, it's been used by the priests and the people in power that could read to inform the masses about what they should be doing.
Most of them couldn't read throughout history. This is the only time in the last few hundred years that people, that we've had a wide literacy ability in humanity. Yeah. So is it really the actual essence of the religion that's the problem or the people that have been in power and distorted the teachings?
Speaker 3: Because I
Holly Loxton: promise you there is something that happens when you actually sit there in humility and you [00:49:00] say, right, Jesus, you've got me. I welcome you into my heart and into my mind when he comes in and he starts correcting things that you felt like you could never have corrected inside yourself like that.
You can't beat it.
Hollie Wild: so yeah, I'm going to do a whole podcast episode on where I sit with it all currently, what I'm exploring, what I'm questioning, and look, we may, you, you and I, we may see things differently about it. We may agree on many things we may disagree. I actually don't know.
I don't know. but yeah, I'm definitely going to do a podcast episode on it and and why what's led me to question a lot of things and what I don't agree with because there's still heaps of it that I, I don't, there's still heaps that I can't wrap my head around and I can't understand, but that'll have to be a whole nother podcast episode.
But, One of the, oh, is there anything more you want to speak on that before? Because you mentioned psychedelics, I'd love to ask you some questions about that. But is there anything else? I don't want to just completely change direction [00:50:00] unless, yeah, unless you're ready for it.
Holly Loxton: oh, I'm ready for everything.
But yeah, the whole Jesus thing, like, I didn't realize how important it was when I was doing a lot of new age stuff. So I would say I did a testimony on my Instagram called new age to Jesus. And it was about a 45 minute thing where I actually go through the whole fucking story about how I came to this point. I feel like majority of the new, of the new age movement, and this is going to piss so many people off. I feel like the majority of it is demonic, all the Oracle cards, the manifestation stuff, the witchcraft, the changing your own reality, like most of it, how it's a counterfeit. to the truth of what Jesus can do.
And I can see why so many people just keep going around in circles over and over and over again. Cause that's where I was to a degree. I got a little bit like, it would feel like two steps forward, one step back [00:51:00] like that. And without having that connection with Jesus and that connection with God through him, it was just, everything was a lot harder.
There's a lot, so much to do. with manifestation and stuff. And I was going down the occult path pretty heavily for a while there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow.
Holly Loxton: So, and it was at that point that Jesus was like, no, bitch, I'm going to rip you out by your hair. Not for you. I'm like, okay, sorry.
Hollie Wild: So what do you think? Oh, sorry, you go.
Holly Loxton: Well, I mean, I mean, if every single person on the planet just turned around and followed the 10 commandments, we'd have a very different world right now. Really different.
Speaker 4: Yeah. God
Holly Loxton: is the ultimate healer. God is the only thing because it is everything. So it is the only thing that can truly heal you. It might come through another person.
It might come through a therapist or [00:52:00] through a plant medicine or through whatever might even come through chemotherapy. Marianne Williamson says in one of her books, that the Holy Spirit will enter through whatever point of consciousness that person has
All comes down to belief systems and it all comes down to like what level of faith you have.
Hollie Wild: And then, so do you think Jesus is the son of God? Yes. Interesting. Yeah, because that's what I believed for most of my life. I don't now, but, and I don't believe that God is who killed Jesus, as in sacrificed his son. Do you believe that?
Holly Loxton: how best to put this?
I think that he was made. As an example on purpose to help us all as showing the way to live a [00:53:00] good life. And I think that because humans, we need to see something in order to believe it, you have to do good works. And one of those was, I'm going to prophesy that they're going to kill me. One of you will betray me Judas and, but don't worry about it because I'm coming back. It's like a massive flex. It's like, Oh look, yeah, they might be able to kill me, but they can't really kill me.
Hollie Wild: Gotcha. Yeah. Oh God. We could, we could talk about this particular topic. Thank you. All day. Oh, I'll change direction because you, what was that?
Holly Loxton: On that note, it's very easy. If you really, if you suspend all your disbelief, like I really do think that one of the greatest tricks that Satan ever played on humanity was convincing us all that he did not exist. But if you look at what's happening in the world at the moment, on the grand scale, even with the Olympic shit that went down, like, why [00:54:00] is Christianity the only one that gets mocked?
You don't see
Hollie Wild: with the opening ceremony in France. Yeah.
Holly Loxton: You don't see people mocking Allah. Can you imagine if we mocked Allah? We would all be vaporised in like an instant.
And so,
when you, when you look at it like that and you start to really take off those rose colored glasses and start looking up at what's happening in humanity instead of just looking down at your own life and, and trying to just feather your own nest, you're starting to see like, oh wow, we actually are at war with principalities here.
It's not just people.
Hollie Wild: All right. What we'll do is you mentioned psychedelics. I'm just being mindful of time right now as well. God, we've gone for an hour. You mentioned psychedelics and I would love to touch on this quickly before we finish up. I've never done psychedelics in my life.
So I'm Very much a, a novice. I have no idea about them to be honest. What's it [00:55:00] like to experience psychedelics as far as like healing? What can you tell us about that?
Holly Loxton: Um, all different psychedelics do different things for this particular purpose. I'll talk about mushrooms because I think that they are probably the safest.
Okay. And I think that they are the ones, like, this is what I use with my clients, when we go overseas and we do really deep dive ceremonies where we're looking at, opening up the subconscious to things that you just have a really hard time dealing with. In normal therapy, like to get access to some of these awarenesses, you would need to sit on a mountaintop in Tibet and in meditation for 20 years.
And we don't have that sort of time now. I've long said that I think mushrooms are God's medicine. He hid the medicine in the plants for us to find. [00:56:00] And there's a lot of, there's a big theory, actually, the stone age theory. I think it was Terence McKenna, who's like the godfather of psilocybin. He came up with this theory that mushrooms actually played a massive role in the evolution of consciousness of humanity.
Because when you do have them, you open up to understanding This reality a lot better,
Hollie Wild: not to,
Holly Loxton: I had never put to put it into context, even though I'd been a mindset coach and hypnotherapist for a couple of years before I started using plant medicines. And I was doing all of the. Self love things. I thought I loved my, I thought I had good love for myself.
I'm like, yeah, I'm doing the Bob bubble baths and doing exercise and I'm eating healthy and I'm saying good things to myself. And I've got all my affirmations on my mirror.
I am enough. I am enough. [00:57:00] Yes. I had no fucking idea what self love even felt like because of my own trauma history. So when I had a really good mentor, and this is why I'm talking about mushrooms specifically because I've done ayahuasca and I've done five M E O D M T. But when I had a really good mentor and we did the spiritual study and everything that bookended the ceremony, I finally, for the first time in my life, actually felt genuine love.
For myself, but it went a whole lot deeper than that. It wasn't even self love. It was a reverence
Speaker 3: for
Holly Loxton: myself. It was a reverence for the power of God that created me. And that is, it's an undeniable feeling and it's not something that anything in this world can give you. There's no relationship here that could possibly give you that because it is, it is a sense of understanding the eternal in [00:58:00] a way that nothing here can give you because everything here is temporary.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. What's the common misconceptions that you hear about psychedelics in healing? Like, we're not talking about using psychedelics for partying, but like for healing.
Holly Loxton: I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, and I would highly recommend that no one ever uses psychedelics. For recreation.
Speaker 4: Yeah,
Holly Loxton: they're too powerful.
They open you up to too much stuff. You've got to have someone with you that knows how to protect the space, protect the field and help you through your stuff. Most people that have, an unease around psychedelics is because they are scared of not being in control. Spoiler alert. That's why everything's fucked in your life and you're having a big problem because you can't let go and what ends up controlling you usually comes out for people in psychedelics.
and they're always scared of having like a bad trip. They're scared of it.
Hollie Wild: That's been my concern [00:59:00] was that second one. Yeah.
Holly Loxton: When used correctly and by no means am I saying that I'm the best person in the world to do this with, I'm sure there's people that are a lot better than me. I just use it in the way that I've been instructed by God to use it. And so the quote unquote bad trips. are actually the most important ones because they're usually the ones where you're facing off with all of your shit.
Hollie Wild: Interesting.
Holly Loxton: Facing off with your fear. You're facing off with your anxiety. You're facing off with your lack of control. You're facing off with your trauma.
And most people can't do that on their own. And so they get stuck in what they would call a bad trip where it can be traumatizing and terrifying. This is why I say to people, don't use psychedelics in a recreational situation. There is too much. Very wrong. and I don't want anyone to be traumatized from an experience that is designed to be healing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: on the note of psychedelics, microdosing psilocybin is a fantastic way [01:00:00] to be on your healing journey because even that microdosing really starts changing your mind. It puts the nitro engine in any other form of therapy or healing that you're doing any sort of personal development, anything that you're doing where you're, you're going outside of your comfort zone, your brain and the survival action in your brain is to lock around your, programming.
And so it then becomes very hard to do something that's outside of your programming. So if you don't have the programming to be a successful entrepreneur, because your parents worked nine to five and you were always broke as a child, then it's going to be harder unless there's a massive catalyst for you to go outside of that program.
Hollie Wild: Interesting.
Holly Loxton: Yeah. What the psilocybin does is it makes the neural pathways more flexible. It makes the brain more plastic. At a flood dose that we do in ceremony, it resets the default mode network in the brain. This is why it's amazing for things like [01:01:00] addiction, because you're wiping that slate clean.
Hollie Wild: Oh, that's powerful.
Holly Loxton: I had a guy this year who had had a really bad alcohol addiction for 20 years. Pretty much had not gone a day without alcohol for 20 years. And we knocked it out. He doesn't drink anymore.
Hollie Wild: Wowzers. That's huge. Twintally. Wow.
Holly Loxton: The ability to go into traumatic situations, like the common themes from using mushrooms are deep forgiveness of the people that hurt you and yourself and God, deeper understanding of why things in your life had to happen the way that they did in order to end up at a certain space.
Even if that space, like all of that pain had just brought you into doing a ceremony where you actually realized that God just wanted to wake you up and you have this, this ability to not take everything in this life so [01:02:00] personally anymore, because you understand that this is not the be all and end all.
You understand on such a deep level that there is so much more than what we can see, feel, touch, smell.
Hollie Wild: And do you see entities? That's something that's always Intrigued me about it. And so, yeah, what's that experience like?
Holly Loxton: look, I don't really need, psychedelics anymore to see and sense that stuff.
I'm pretty tapped in all of the time. And I think that's been one of my biggest problems throughout my childhood in my early 20s, because I was so sensitive to these things. And I didn't know what to do with it. And so that then becomes a problem when you, you don't know what it is and you just think that you're going crazy, or you're scared for no reason and you can't describe what you're feeling to people.
with the entities thing, I think because I do [01:03:00] so much protection work and we do so much spiritual work and we really do lean on Jesus for a lot of the stuff these days, the entity work is not, I don't see a lot of them. Um, if they are it's angels. Helping.
Hollie Wild: Got you. Yeah, because I could imagine. Okay, so obviously growing up in in the strict religious setting that I grew up in anything that was considered new age was like, don't go there.
We weren't even allowed to do like yoga because that was seen as opening yourself up to, you know, that's bad spiritual influences. I can't remember if chiropractor might've even been on that list of things because it's manipulating the body. Like they were very staunch on what you can and can't touch.
This psychedelics would have been like at the top of the list. How yeah. What are your thoughts on that? As far as, I know you're not religious, you don't claim to be religious at all, but as far as like, um, your relationship with, with God and psychedelics, how, yeah, how would [01:04:00] you
Holly Loxton: again, this is why it's important to be doing the spiritual development with it because You are opening yourself up to that fourth dimension where all of this shit is.
So if you don't know what you're doing with it, you don't know what to look for, and you don't have the help, then you're just setting yourself up for failure. Yeah. This is why I don't recommend anyone ever take acid because acid is a whole different beast and that is synthetic and it just like, I know, I understand people have had healing experiences with acid, but the one or two times that I did that when I was younger, it was terrifying and overwhelming and there wasn't any, I couldn't link it to any sort of healing. It was just sand shit. Like,
Speaker 4: yeah.
Holly Loxton: Um, DMT is a really interesting one. If you've looked into DMT and what that does in the brain.
Speaker 4: I haven't. [01:05:00]
Holly Loxton: That is a rabbit hole you probably want to go down. We produce DMT naturally in our pineal glands.
And as we know, the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness. When we exogenously put DMT into our system, it actually gets re uptaken by the system very, very quickly. And if you smoke DMT, it is only a very short, somewhere between eight and 15 minutes of a trip.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. Yeah. Someone close to me has, has used DMT.
Yeah.
Holly Loxton: But if you have enough to do what we call a punch through or a breakthrough dose, you as a person, you have dissolved, you are out there in the universe seeing all sorts of stuff. And what is really interesting in the DMT realm is that with all of the. Studies they've done on it and the recounts of the, the stories that people tell when they've come out of it, they're actually starting to be able to map the DMT realm [01:06:00] because in sections of the DMT realm.
And you've got to understand it's not like a normal physical map. It's more because outside of this particular reality, this 3D reality, this is the only place where we feel time. Outside of that, there is no time. So instead of everything being linear, everything's more stacked on top of one each other, one another.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: And there are certain places and entities that people talk to and all of that that are across the board, very common themes.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. That one. Yeah. I'm going to have to go down the rabbit hole and look into it all. Cause that one does intrigue me a lot.
Holly Loxton: It's along the same lines. If you look into near death experiences and people that have come back from that.
Speaker 4: Oh, fascinating.
Holly Loxton: And they can really start to map out what happens to people.
Hollie Wild: And then last question on psychedelics, cause I'm sure I'm wearing [01:07:00] you out at this point, we've been going a long time, but how this is my job is hammering you with questions. How, how does it go from being not just escapism. And actually being a healing experience, I guess, like with integration afterwards, or yeah, I'm not sure because I've never done it.
I'm now I feel like I need to try. But, I can imagine some people. I mean, I know some people do use. And I'm sure some use spirituality as escapism or, you know, personal development as escapism. And I'm sure some use psychedelics as a way to escape reality. How does it go from being that type of experience to actually like healing with like integration afterwards?
I don't know if I'm even explaining that well.
Holly Loxton: Yeah. I think you are. The integration is the key. Integration is the key. I know of a lot of people that, you know, just keep [01:08:00] going from ceremony to ceremony to ceremony. Come back into their lives and they don't change a single fucking thing and then they need another ceremony and another one and another one.
And I'm not saying that, you know, don't do a lot of plant medicine. I certainly have done a lot, but like last year I did one mushroom journey personally for myself. I Yeah, that was it. And the rest of it was just me and Jesus.
I understand now, like from a born again Christian, not that I am, but I understand the born again Christians now, because the only other time that I felt that amount of peace in my life is through plant medicines.
And so for someone that like, if you picture a Christian person, That, or someone that has come to Jesus in some form, having that peace that surpasses all understanding come through them and into them would be the most shocking experience if you'd never had psychedelics before.
[01:09:00] You would want to tell everyone about it.
Like I understand
Speaker 4: how
Holly Loxton: evangelical people get around it because they want everyone to have that level of peace. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And that feeling of safety that's beyond anything that you can get here. Because people, I don't know if you've noticed, are wildly unreliable and incredibly disappointing most of the time.
And so I said this, I say this to my clients all the time. Like you, you're looking in the wrong place for the safety and the love and the support that you need. You should be looking to God because that's the only place that it truly exists anyway.
Stop trying to be safe in this world. You're not getting out of this alive.
No one is. So the best, instead of aiming for safety, which brings with it all sorts of like fear and panic and pain, like just aim for comfort. Because then you can take it or leave it.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. Do you, just because we mentioned entities, do you believe in life on other planets? Like, do you think there's other or other [01:10:00] universes or anything like that?
Or do you think it's literally just earth?
Holly Loxton: from my experience with plant medicines, and also the spiritual development and everything that I've been doing for so many years now. My best, how to put this, my best way I could describe it from my very limited human brain is that everything that has ever existed Will ever exist in every time dimension space locality exists all at once right now.
Hollie Wild: Yeah, I can understand that. Yeah,
Holly Loxton: I had an experience with DMT. So just before we tap out of this conversation, I'm sure
Hollie Wild: your
Holly Loxton: listeners are now like, Oh my God, this is so boring.
Hollie Wild: No, I bet they got their popcorn out right now. [01:11:00]
Holly Loxton: This is the difference between having good integration and bad integration as well.
So I did like my first ever proper psychedelic journey. I did it off about, I did five MEO DMT first, and that is the most powerful psychedelic known to man. It is from the Bufo Toad from Central, South America. And it's like DMT on steroids. It just completely obliterates all sense of identity. You are one with the universe.
I say, it's like a bullet train to enlightenment. God is putting his hands on. The back of your head and just shoving you into the, everything of all that is, and you become everything at the same time, like it takes down all, all barriers of separation removed.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Holly Loxton: Integrating that knowledge is really hard because I was coming back into my life and my relationship at the time was a bit shit.
I [01:12:00] was having money issues and I just, for some reason, like I just couldn't get my business running the way that I wanted it to. I became really depressed. The slide, like when we're doing any sort of work, this is why Jesus is important because if you're doing work in spirituality and enlightenment, the proclivity to slide into nihilism is very high because this reality is very fucking difficult.
We've put the settings on hard in Western society.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: And so I was going through this really deep, dark depression and life just wasn't making any sense because I had this. Experience of this oneness of everything. And I just couldn't make sense of it in, I couldn't bring it back into my normal life. I didn't know how to use that information.
And my, facilitator, I swear, she obviously lived too many times at a time, but I was like, I feel like I just need to tap out. [01:13:00] And she was like, we'll just do it then. Either do it or don't do it. Either kill yourself or don't.
And I was like, well, that's not great. Anyway, it was a, my friend ended up giving me some normal DMT, which I smoked in my backyard. And that brought me back to life because it wasn't as intense.
And I could suddenly see how beautiful everything was again.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: And the majesty of all the, and everything that God has created. But the whole point of that story was that while I was. I was smoking in my backyard. I was looking at my feet and I was, there's grass on the backyard and my feet turned into like hobbit feet and they were warping and they were turning into like a cartoon and this, and I was traveling into all these different dimensions while I was just sitting there looking at my feet.
It was really bizarre, but then it was really funny and I was just like, Oh, I don't have to take it because whatever I'm taking shoe wages seriously. Yeah, [01:14:00] I'm fine. I'm fine guys. Thanks.
Hollie Wild: That's amazing. What a cool experience though.
Holly Loxton: Yeah. Well, it's the thing that brought me back to life as well. But again, it's. That's the reason why I think people have bad experiences with psychedelics and plant medicines or bad trips, or they don't get as much out of it as that they possibly could is because they either don't have the guidance, they don't have the preparation, they don't have the integration, and they're just not doing it in the right way.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. Amazing. I'm going to give you three very quick rapid fire. Questions. So when you answer them, you don't have to give any justification whatsoever. And then I'd love to hear how people can work with you and how they can get in contact with you as well.
Holly Loxton: You want my unjustified opinion?
Hollie Wild: Yes. So, if you could instantly dismantle one institution, which would it be?[01:15:00]
Holly Loxton: Oh, just one,
Hollie Wild: just one baby.
Holly Loxton: The mental health.
Hollie Wild: Move on. Yeah.
Holly Loxton: Mainstream medical, like emergency departments, hospitals for, you know, emergency problems, that sort of stuff. Great. But the, the medical system as a whole, we're treating chronic diseases that don't need to be treated with pills.
Hollie Wild: Yeah.
Holly Loxton: Anyway. I don't need to.
Hollie Wild: Yeah. I couldn't agree more with that.
What's one piece of mainstream advice that you think is actually harmful?
Holly Loxton: Mainstream. Harmful. The government. Ooh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But look, before you trust [01:16:00] the science, look at who's funding the science. Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Holly Loxton: Yes. Always the fucking money.
Hollie Wild: Paper trail always. And then number three, what's your boldest prediction for the future of your industry?
Holly Loxton: Of my industry?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Holly Loxton: My boldest prediction or like what I think is going to happen or what I want to happen?
Hollie Wild: Either. You choose.
Holly Loxton: What I think is going to happen is that we are going to slide into an absolute cataclysm of chronic health issues. But that is going to be the catalyst to make some big change and big waves in healing.
And I think psychedelics are going to be at the forefront of that.
Hollie Wild: Yeah, I could see that. How can people work with you, get in touch with you, what's your social handles, all the above?
Holly Loxton: You can't, I'm a stealth agent.
I'll bomb into your life and leave.
You're fucking welcome. Um, no, look, I am terrible with [01:17:00] marketing. I'm terrible with social media. I basically just give everyone my life Instagram stories. That's about the limit of my tech issues. Um, My experience, so I don't do a lot on Facebook. It's probably not worth finding me there. Just find me on my Instagram.
It's at Holly Loxton underscore coach. And I'll be running a free, um, it's probably going to be a three month course of weekly calls. I have to do it for free. God told me because I was originally one of the courses that I had that was highly successful and created so much money and help for people was it, you're gonna laugh at this.
It was called Rich Witch. Rich Witch. Yeah, rich, rich.
Hollie Wild: I can imagine that doesn't fly now.
Holly Loxton: That's the one that God was like, no, bitch, we're not doing that one. So, as my little, [01:18:00] I guess you could say correction of what I've been teaching people in the past, even though There's a big portion of it with the NLP practices and deep programming and all of that, that's staying in that course.
And I've sold that course for thousands and thousands of dollars to people like this is no joke. It's a really, really good course. Yeah. System practices. It's got everything that you need to expand your consciousness and awareness around your own money stories and healing money trauma. But. I've been instructed to redo the whole thing to have a much more God focus at the front of it.
So that's going to be free. That starts next Wednesday. And I will be taking everyone through a whole lot of really cool stuff.
Hollie Wild: That's incredible that that's free, Holly. Hats off to you for that. I
Holly Loxton: didn't want to do it for free. I've realized now with my spiritual discernment, most of the time, the things that God tells me to do, I don't want to fucking [01:19:00] do.
Hollie Wild: Well, good on you for following through.
Holly Loxton: No, it's from him. I'm like, I don't want to. I don't want to do
Speaker 3: it.
Hollie Wild: Oh my God, that's gold. I just wanted to say thank you so much for this conversation. That was a long one. We've been going for like an hour and a half. So thank you so, so much. I'm really grateful. I didn't plan on going that long.
That was a lot that we covered in that amount of time. So thank you for your wisdom, for your input, your perspective. Everything. I really appreciate you so much.
Holly Loxton: Absolutely fine. I'm yeah, so happy to be on here. I understand. if you're a person listening and you're stuck in the new age stuff, or you're a healer and you're working with different things, I understand how, confronting a lot of the stuff that I just said would be.
Because that's exactly what I had to go through. That was me for most of last year was deprogramming a lot of that stuff. That was [01:20:00] really hard. So, I would urge you to just keep an open mind and I I've seen in the coaching industry, especially there's just been this massive shift of so many people getting the whole call to Jesus thing.
Hollie Wild: Well, thank you so much. I appreciate you.
Holly Loxton: My pleasure.
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