Ep. 27 | Exposing the Real Jesus: Conspiracies, Control, and Revolution
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
27. was jesus the original conspiracy theorist and disruptor?
[00:00:00] Welcome back legends to another episode now. You would know by the title of this episode, what I'm discussing, but. I have to admit, I was genuinely surprised with how much feedback and comments and messages I got about the episode that I did on my current controversial opinions on. You know, Jesus and hell and rapture and. God and all that stuff, that episode went off, like really, really went off and it surprised me a lot.
I knew some people would be interested, but I didn't expect it to be to the level of interest that there was. And yes, so many comments on YouTube. On Tik TOK, like on the different short video clips and yeah, it went crazy. So, and I've had a lot of messages from people saying, thank you for discussing this.
Like, even if we see things differently, even if maybe some things we'd see the same and others different or you see it completely different to me, I think people are just appreciating the fact that. There's a space to have these conversations, because that's what this is all about. We should [00:01:00] be able to discuss. Whatever we want to, without fearing retribution or without fearing, you know, the mob coming after us or whatever it might be.
So. This is a follow-up episode to that, not reading comments. That's what comment chaos is for the Thursday episode drops that I do, but. To add to it on why I believe Jesus was one of the original conspiracy theorists and industry disruptors out there. Like I genuinely. Believe that, and this is probably going to blow your mind a bit as far as just a different way to look at it rather than Jesus being the son of God and having to die for our sins.
And, you know, there being a hell that we should all fear going to, and they're being a rapture, like all of that fear based dogmatic, controlling, absolute manipulation of the scriptures and of Jesus' teachings. Now let me start by saying this. I don't know all of this as fact. I don't think that I am [00:02:00] right.
And you are wrong. If you think different. I'm going to say this one. So I'm not going to say it a million times. If you still listen to this and you still choose to believe. That I am seeing I'm right. And you're wrong. That is your projection. That is none of my goddamn business. That's on you, right?
That is on you. If you listen to anything that I say, and you say she is trying to push an agenda, she's trying to make us think of certain thing. That's on you because here's my message. My message is this, I don't know. And I should be questioned. I don't know. I don't have all the answers. I don't think that I know everything.
You should question everything including me. Including me. And what I mean by that is go within yourself. I say this all the time. Go within yourself, work things out for yourself. You should not blindly trust anybody, including myself. Everything should be looked at. Like with a microscope, not to prove wrong, but to see what is [00:03:00] underneath, for instance, don't just trust what I'm saying.
Blindly. Research it for yourself. Look into it for yourself. If I recommend certain books, maybe go and look into those books for yourself. If you see someone comment in the comment section on, say YouTube or Tik TOK or whatever platform, and they're recommending certain things, maybe look into what they're recommending and then come back to yourself continually. I don't just blindly, trust me.
That's what I want to say to start off with. So I don't know what I'm saying is a thousand percent truth. Of course, I don't know. We're all guessing at the end of the day, this is just one way of looking at it. That resonates for me. And maybe it will resonate for you. If you are someone that has come out of dogmatic, religion, or you're someone that is currently in a very, you know, religious dogmatic, religion, and you are not agreeing with what you're seeing and what you're being taught.
This will likely help you. Okay. If you're someone that's like, no, you are wrong, hollie, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I would lean [00:04:00] into why do you need to be right? Why do you need to be right? I noticed that with a lot of comments that I get. That start off with no. Right. Instantly the beginning of the sentence.
No. You're wrong or absolute BS, or you are a blah, blah, blah. That is instantly dismissing what the other individual has said. You'll notice that I don't do that. And if I do, I will check it in myself. I'm very aware of not doing that. If instantly you hear something and you're just like, no. Like, you're not evaluating your beliefs.
It's different to being like, I have looked into what they've said and it doesn't sit right. For me, that's different. That's having discernment that's using and applying critical thinking. But if you will hear something and your instant re instant response is no that's BS without even evaluating it without even looking into it without even checking what your beliefs actually are you, my friend are very close minded, very close [00:05:00] minded. And you might actually be wrong on many things and not be aware of it.
This was how I was for the majority of my existence. So trust me, I know it well. And then I went through this massive ego death, and I still have an ego. I'm not suggesting I don't have an ego, but I went through a massive ego death when I had to confront all of the dogmatic belief systems that my identity was birthed into was built around. So I encourage you to please. One trust yourself. Go within yourself with anything that I say, and don't just blindly follow anybody.
Don't just blindly trust anybody, but to evaluate your beliefs. Continually evaluate them. And that is what I continue to do. So let's dive into it. So I'm going to talk about. Why I believe Jesus was possibly one of the original conspiracy theorists, and this goes against. What a lot of Christians will think, because this is why.
Okay. So I obviously have a different view on sin and on [00:06:00] hell and on the rapture. And I will get into those briefly. But. I have a different view on Jesus. I think he was an original disruptive to the system and by the system, I mean like the system of control that we still have today that could be through pharmaceutical companies through the medical mafia, the medical system that. Yes in emergencies is needed.
It's saves lives, but outside of that, it is controlling lives. It is ruining people's health. Right. I don't think that pharmaceutical companies, should we just blindly trusted it's the same with the birthing system? I think the birthing system is so corrupted. It's not helpful. Like the way that most women are birthing their babies in hospitals is nuts.
And then often the baby's taken straight off the mother. And they're trying to already try. You know, put a million different things into this baby. It's like, leave the baby. The fricking hell alone, like put the baby on the mother's chest and let them bond and let them have that moment together for as long as they [00:07:00] possibly can. Like I skin to skin contact or God don't let me go down.
The birthing route skin to skin contact is so important. For the baby and for the mother, when it's first born and mothers are not meant to be birthing while laying on their back on a hospital bed like, whoa, I'm going down a rant already. That's not what this podcast episode is about. Focus, Holly. But there's so many different systems, right? The education system, the financial system, whatever. That can be great, but they can also be used as a means of control and a means of manipulation or for power or for moneymaking.
Right. It was no different back in Jesus' days. Now, again, I'm not religious. Okay. I'm not trying to push religious views on you, but just hear me out. Back then they used to very strongly believe in the atonement of sin was through sacrifice through bloodshed. Right. Through, they used to sacrifice human beings and then obviously it was animals.
Okay. And then that's why they believed they needed the final [00:08:00] sacrifice to stop all of that. The final sacrifice was Jesus on a cross or another human sacrifice. Pretty disgusting. Right. That's a blood Colt. But anyway, the final human sacrifice for everybody's sins, because we're all just so innately, wicked, and we're just born so disgusting that we need someone to die for us so that we can be right with God.
Right. It's nuts when you go into it. But. Again, look into it for yourself. Don't just believe me, look into it for yourself. But so back then animal sacrifice in particular was huge. So in the Jewish temples picture, the Sabbath day, It is recorded that on Sabbath day that. That they sacrificed 250,000 goats.
Just goats just one type of animal. 250,000. Right. The priests would be in the Jewish temple. And what would happen is as a families or as men, wives, children, whatever they would line up. Right? Because this was how you [00:09:00] made attonement for your sin so that you wouldn't burn in hell was they believe for all of eternity. So for the sins of you and of your family, you would have to pick which animal was going to be sacrificed as in slaughtered. For your sins.
So that would be offered up to God for slaughter. It was a biggest money-making scheme of the day. Right picture this, you get a menu, basically. They would tell you it's like a menu of which animal is going to pay for your sins. Like how horrible
So you'd have the doves, you'd have the goats and you'd have the ox.
Right. So depending on your level of wealth, so your status as a family was what animal would depend on what animal you would pick, so which ones you could afford. So if you were poor, you'd have a dove. Right. Which obviously the more money you spent, the bigger the animal and the more, the longer your sins would be covered.
Oh my God, this is mind blowing. The longer your sins would be covered as a family or as an individual. So the more money you had, let's say you could afford to buy an ox for [00:10:00] it, to then be slaughtered and its blood to be shed everywhere, right? The longer your sins would be covered as a family.
And you think it's not a blood coat? It's insane. So so many animals. Animals on the Sabbath would be slaughtered like. As I said, it's recorded at least 250,000
and this was a money making scheme, right? It was a money-making scheme. You think of how much money they made? In that temple for all of those people's sins to be covered by bloodshed. The amount of blood that is described, like the priests would be covered in blood,
They would have to make latrines coming out of the temple, just for the blood to be able to flow somewhere like thousands upon thousands upon thousands of animals were just slaughtered.
Like. Absolute animal cruelty all for the atonement of sin. Right. Money-making scheme and here you've got this radical Jesus guy who opposed it. He opposed animal sacrifice. Hear me out for a second. He would go in [00:11:00] there. all of your prophets, condemned animal sacrifice. Like think of Malakai
and Jeremiah and Ezekial right. And others, he would say like, these profits have gone against you sacrificing animals. Why the crap are you still doing it? Why are you still doing it? And then this talks of him going into the, into the temple.
Is it the temple where he like turned the money tables over? There's also in different gospels. Look into it for yourself. Where in one gospel. It will explain that he released the doves, a different gospel, says he released the doves and the oxen. And then another one was, it was all the animals. Like he released the goats, the doves and the oxen.
Right. All of them were released. You imagine, right. Compare it to something like the medical mafia that we have today. Big pharma. You think about how much someone that is a disruptor to their corrupt money-making schemes. Someone that is very vocal online about how much big pharma is ruining lives and how it is [00:12:00] corrupt.
And it is a control mechanism, and it's a way to take away your self authority And your your own connection that you have to yourself and to put all of your trust into something outside of yourself. People that stand firmly. I don't just mean someone that doesn't have a following. Right. They don't care.
No, one's listening to you. I'm talking about people that have massive followings, right? When people are that vocal against big pharma, the medical mafia, the medical money-making machine, that it is. When people are that vocal and that public about it, and people are actually listening and paying attention.
What happens to those individuals? Often they get unalived, I'm not going to say. The word, because this video will probably get flagged. They get an alive. Right. It happens a lot. And I'm not saying that with a smile on my face, like that is you hear of it, right. People that got up against it. Their lives are taken from them and it's seen as they have [00:13:00] suicided.
Right. That's how it is seen. If not their lives are very much destroyed or they are like, they are stripped of everything. Money. Their social media accounts. They're um, they go after their family, they go after their livelihood, they go after their reputation, right. Everything comes against the individual that speaks up against the bloody medical cartel. It was no different with Jesus, right?
He was Jesus. This radical man who was here talking about unity and how we're all one.
And how the power is even with is within you and anything I can do, you can do and more, and how much he was against religion and how much he was getting against dogmatic teachings. He never preached on hell. He never preached on the rapture. That's a whole nother story we'll get into. So here's this man who's like going in and turning money tables and releasing the animals and saying, stop [00:14:00] animal slaughter.
Stop it.
And he was such a disruptor and such a. Uh, vocal disruptor that was getting a lot of attention and a big following. And he was a threat to the system. Human beings killed him because he was a threat to the system. I don't believe again, it's just a belief that he was the son of God, any more than we are fractals of God, fractures of this one, infinite. Frequency there's one infinite creator.
And I don't believe that he died on a cross for our sins. I don't believe that God. Sacrificed a human being. I don't believe God believes in sacrificing of a human being. I'll get into that, but I actually believe human beings killed Jesus because he was the most radical. Conspiracy theorist before conspiracy theorists was even a term that was coined and a disruptive to the system.
He was so [00:15:00] disruptive to their money-making scams. He was so disruptive to dogmatic religion. This is why I actually think dogmatic religion is the spirit of the antichrist that he was teaching against.
Which leads me to the concept of sin. Let's talk about sin briefly to me. Sin is not how the churches teach it, because if we have seen in the way that churches teach it, then we need something to atone for that sin.
Hence why they believe Jesus was the final sacrifice instead of sacrificing animals and other human beings anymore. It's like, let's sacrifice this one, man, to atone for our sins. Whereas. If sin is not actually something that is, you know, something that needs a tome it for as far as like a death. Think of it this way.
And in the course of miracles, it actually says sin is a
mistake to be corrected
not an evil to be punished, right? Cause if you think of sin as something that needs punishment, it needs death. Like Jesus, we needed Jesus to die for us because we it's [00:16:00] something that needs punishment. Like then, yeah. You're going to go along with dogmatic theology. Whereas if you see it as something that just needs correction, it's something that is karma, like there's cause and there's effect.
For instance, someone can, someone can go and Rob a bank, right. And feel like they got away with it. They never went to prison. Not aware though that their house getting robbed could have been part of the karma for that or whatever it might be.
Right. Whatever. There's so many different ways of looking at it could be the very effect of the cause. Right? It doesn't mean that it's going to happen in the exact same way.
This is why I see sin so differently. I don't believe that we are born innately wicked. I believe as humans, we have the capacity to do wicked things, but I don't think we are innately wicked when we're born.
I think that is. Uh, such a ridiculous way to look at a baby and to think that this God, this infinite creator, if you believe in God that this, you know, All knowing all, seeing all [00:17:00] powerful, pure holy righteous, God would create human beings. Apparently that are in his image, but that are defunct, like just awful. Once they're born like that is asinine.
That to me is the most asinine way to view it
so what this sinless God made these sinful babies, like it's, it's ridiculous. And when you don't believe in it, in that way, it takes away the need for death. Right. When you see sin differently, you start to see a lot of other things differently. So let's talk about hell, for instance. Hell, Jesus never preached on helll.
people say he did know. He didn't. He said Gahanna. When you actually read it in the original, was it the Greek or the Hebrew? It's Gehenna. And gehenna was the city dumping ground, right? It was a place where they literally would throw dead bodies. It was rubbish, right? It would have been smelly.
It was full of death. That it was also a place where they burnt. Like they set things on fire. There were [00:18:00] dead bodies there. And it was literally a dumping ground. Gahanna was a rubbish dumping ground, and that is what Jesus spoke on. Get henna
and back then the Israelites used to actually say this is horrible.
Would sacrifice their children to a false God. Molech right. You've likely heard that name. Molech. And Jesus actually said that he was in a abomination to God, to be sacrificing your children. Right. It was an abomination. And he even said, I did not conceive of it.
Nor did it even enter my mind to do such a thing.
So here's Jesus. Who's like what the crappy you're doing. He's against animal sacrifice. He's against human sacrifice. He didn't even conceive it nor would it even enter his mind to sacrifice a soul, to sacrifice a living, being whether human or animal to God, to a false God or to a real God. Right.
It didn't even enter his mind. And you want to tell me. Dogmatic religion wants to tell me that the God of the [00:19:00] universe would then sacrifice his own son. Apparently. On a cross, brutally tortured and murdered for our sins. When it start when one part of that theology breaks down, the rest of it starts to break down to it.
Jesus never taught on hell, never not once. Did he teach on hell he spoke about Gahanna, the city dumping ground, where bodies would go and were bodies would be burned.
And because back then, people really didn't understand the concept of sin and they, they felt like there had to be a physical act to, you know, fix the sin.
That's why, you know, the act of, instead of slaughtering animals, as animal sacrifices to appease for your sins, they replaced it with a water baptism. So, you know, because obviously they didn't understand that you are. Like just cause correct, just cause correct within yourself. If you see that you have done something to hurt another human being or to hurt an animal or to hurt whatever to hurt [00:20:00] yourself, because correct.
Right. And instantly you can change that within yourself. It's all within. We don't need an outsider. We don't need a priest to stand between us and who we believe is God, whether that be a frequency or a being or whatever. Right. This is why I'm very against the Catholic religion teaching that you need a priest. You need to speak to a priest like there between you and a God, like get stuffed.
That is ridiculous. It's the most ridiculous thing. So because people didn't quite understand back then that like sin is something that you can sort out within yourself. Right? You can sin isn't sin in the way that they teach us sin. Again, he's just. It's anything, any act or thought that is in separation from the fact that we are all ones.
If you're hurting another being, you're also hurting yourself and we can sort that out within ourselves. So because back then they didn't understand this concept and they saw sin as like something that needs a attonement for as in, like, there needs to be an act, there needs to be a death or something.
That's why they [00:21:00] replaced animal sacrifices with water baptism, which is a much better. Um, way of going about it. Let's not slaughter thousands of animals on the Sabbath. Let's just go under water for a second
and they didn't realize back then that by the actions of continually sacrificing, whether that's humans or animals, like they will literally creating their own negative karma.
They were creating their own karma on them as a people, on them as a family or as a, as a tribal, whatever, like constantly creating their own negative karma. Just the same way we do in our own lives. If we're putting out negativity constantly into the world, whether that is through acts or our words or our thoughts. Um, or, you know, maybe you gossip continually or whatever it might be.
You are continually putting out negativity. We are creating our own karma in this lifetime. It's no different to back then
and this is also why, when I think of dogmatic religion, most that I see that actually come out of it, uh, more often than not younger people. Not necessarily people in their seventies and [00:22:00] eighties, for instance. And the reason why I have a theory on it is. Because of the massive ego death that you have to go through, the fact that all of your beliefs, your worldview, your belief systems. Your entire identity, uh, wrapped up in the foundation of your theology of your dogmatic theology. In order to confront that and change the way that you actually think like,
It literally shutters and takes out the foundation of your entire programming. It's not for the faint of heart. It's not like I'm telling you, it takes so much courage. And this is not to put someone down if like, if you're listening and you very much believe in very dogmatic religious views, I'm not putting you down.
I'm not saying you're not strong. You could be extremely strong. I promise you. I'm not saying that. It's just, when you do confront them and your identity is shattered when you realize that sin is not what you thought, or maybe you realize, man, hell. Is not what I was taught, how always [00:23:00] not at all this. Place that you go to when you die, if you're not right with God and all of that, or maybe the theology of the rapture where, you know, like that can be a load of BS, right.
When that happens, it is honestly like a shattering of the entire foundation of your identity. It is a massive death of the ego. And of course we still have an ego. I have a very healthy ego. I'm not pretending I have no ego. I do. But it is, it is like a shattering all at once. And this is why I do think most that come out of dogmatic religions are young people. And. It's it is harder for someone older.
Maybe who's stuck with this way of thinking for all of their life or for a very long time to come out. Trust me. I know I was with it for over 25 years. I was actually 33 years of age when I really faced it. When I had the dark night of the soul. And every single one of my belief systems was shattered at once.
It is a death, but it's also a rebirth and it comes with, [00:24:00] and this is why I actually want to touch on this. I've received messages recently from people that. Do you have more religious? Kind of viewings of the world that, you know, uh, I try one and they mean it with all kindness and all love. And I know that, right.
I do know that and I'm taking it that way, but. I've had comments or like messages to me saying things like you get so much peace when you come back to God or back to religion or back to Jesus, like, and what they mean is back to dogmatic, religion, you have so much peace and you have so much like just stillness in your life and blah, blah, blah. You're assuming that I don't have that now.
And you're assuming that people that have walked away from dogmatic religion don't have that now. And I just want to speak to that in say. Like. Normally people with that view, there are still in dogmatic religion. It's because you didn't have peace prior to coming to religion. Your life was chaotic.
Your life was a mess, or you felt so fearful in the world or your [00:25:00] life was crumbling around you or whatever it might be. Therefore, when you turned to religion, when you turned to dogmatic religion, you found peace because things started to turn around because you had hope in your life because you have these new belief systems.
Right? I get it. But you've got to understand someone like myself who spent my entire life in it and then left. I left and found peace outside. I've left and found hope outside, right from evaluating my belief systems. It's not like now my world is crumbling around me and I'm lost and I'm crying all the time and I'm a mess and my life is chaotic. Let me give you if you don't know me and you're new to my channel, let me give you some. Let me give you a little bit about me.
I'm someone who's fit and healthy. I don't take a single pharmaceutical for anything, and I'm not saying this to brag, right? If I have a chronic headache, I'll take a tablet. It's very rare though. Like maybe no joke, like three times in a [00:26:00] year. Like, I don't rely on anything outside of my body for anything.
Like, I have so much trust in my body. I don't drink alcohol. I haven't had a drop of alcohol. I'm going to give context to this cause I'm not bragging. I just want to, I just want to explain this. I've had not had a drop of alcohol. Since March. The year before. Right?
What's that year and a half. A year and a half. No alcohol. I'm not a big partier, even though I love to socialize, don't get me wrong. But what I mean is I'm not out until 4:00 AM stumbling home every weekend. Like I live a pretty simple, happy life. I love to exercise. I love to, I love socializing. I love being with people. I love to read books. I love to research.
I love podcasting. I love. I love the work that I'm doing in the world. Like I have a beautiful family. I have beautiful friendships. I am of sound mind is what I'm trying to say. I'm not, I'm not saying any of those things to gloat or to say that you need to do those things or that it makes me more spiritual.
It's none of that at all. But I am of sound mind, and I am. [00:27:00] At peace in my life. Like genuinely, I'm not saying this to try to prove anything. I have so much peace in my life. I have so much happiness in my life. I am so strong minded, like incredibly strong minded. I know that whatever I face I can get through, like, I know that I have so much self-trust and I'm saying all this to say, just because you found peace in religion doesn't mean that those, that aren't in it don't have peace. I really want to make that clear. We don't need what you have just because it has provided answers for you.
It does not mean that it's the answer for everyone just in the same way that I don't think the answer for everyone is to go and leave their church. I'm not saying that.
This is also why though I don't jump on the trend of saying everything, you know, like meditation and manifestation and you know, all these different things are of the devil. I'm not going to jump on that trend. You know, people these days seem to all be trying to [00:28:00] say this, and I think it's nuts. It doesn't make you new age.
I am not new age. Right. There are some things in the new age. Well that I love and some things I'm like, yeah, not really. For me, meditation has been around for thousands of years.The concept of reincarnation has been around for thousands of years. I believe Jesus taught on reincarnation. I believe Jesus taught on meditation. I believe Jesus taught on energy healing, right?
Yeah. I know. Controversial burned me to the ground. I believe that I genuinely do. I don't think that just because you believe these things, that it makes you some weird hippie, right? My message. And I'll finish on this. My message is this, there are things in place, systems, institutions, authorities.
I will say this too. The cow comes home and the cows not home yet. That are in place to keep us separate from ourselves to keep us from not going within ourselves. And I think religion is one of those things. I really do. And my message is go within, go within, build that radical [00:29:00] self-trust right.
Build that.
Self authority and that's self-governance because honestly you can't go wrong. The more that you trust yourself. The more that you navigate life with so much more freedom and so much more peace and with less control. And it's just a way better way of moving through life.
So my message is very similar to Jesus.
If not the same, we are all one. We're all the same. You know, it's within you, everything that you desire, everything that you seek is within you. It's not outside of you. Whether you're religious or you're not, it's not outside of you. Anyway. I'll leave you, leave you with that. Let me know your thoughts.
Send me messages, guys. I, I love hearing from you and thank you so much for being here as always. Every week, we're not going to be talking about religion. God, Jesus, hell heaven, the rapture and all that. But yeah, it's been a hot topic. If actually, if you have something that you would really love me to do an episode on like maybe something I've touched on today and you want to know more, or you want me to go into something more, whatever it might be.
Just comment or send me a message on [00:30:00] any of my platforms, whether that's YouTube, Tik, TOK, Instagram, and. Yeah, I'll do what I can for you. I love you as always remembered to question everything, including myself. Have a great week. Legends. Bye.
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